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hey everyone welcome to geoff hub live

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stream

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and uh open lines so uh welcome

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if you would like to share uh some of

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your stories please join me on telegram

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and

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you can simply install the app on your

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phone or computer

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find the ufo hub group and you should be

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able to join

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and basically chat with me share your

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stories but before i begin

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and i figured i'll make this a habit

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each time we start

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this is not an official interview so if

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you're someone who came

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thinking that this is what what's going

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on today it is not

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we're just simply chatting uh people

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sharing their stories

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and um just hanging out online and so

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if you expected something uh like an

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interview i'm sorry

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i apologize but uh i'm sure you can find

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some other

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interviews like last friday did a great

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interview with um

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red pill junkie and this coming friday

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i'm trying to work some things out to

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have ray hernandez

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on we're trying to uh basically having

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some technical difficulties

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we'll we'll um i'll have him come in

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later on today and

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we'll see how it works out with his

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connection and my system but

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anyway so i hope you can join us

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have fun um if not i'm sure you'll find

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another show that you might enjoy more

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so anyone else watching and here for the

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reasons for open line uh welcome thank

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you for being here

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and um so this this week has been a bit

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slow for me when it comes to ufo hub but

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very busy outside

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and um i basically i promised

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my kids for five six years now a whole

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bunch of things that i was going to

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build in the yard and always pushed it

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always having some kind of excuse so we

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figured this year is finally kind of

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getting to the point to where they

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really really want

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all the things that i told them about

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and i might do a little video about it i

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sometimes like to record things as i

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built them so

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um probably we'll upload them on another

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channel that i have which is called

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totally red everything

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and and also i started

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a brand new channel on rumble as well so

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we'll see wherever it ends up

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being uploaded but um uh welcome for now

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so i'm just i don't necessarily have

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anything planned for today i have some

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people that are um in in the

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telegram chat we'll see who wants to

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to tell their story if they're just here

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to listen that's perfectly fine too

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you can either watch this and interact

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online and chat

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or just listen to it over telegram

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streams looking good for those that are

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telegram uh simply uh raise your hand

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which would tell me that

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um what i mean by that there should be a

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that allows you to be unmuted or you're

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to talk and it tells me that you're

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interested to to talk to me and share

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your story so that way i know i can

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bring you in

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otherwise i just know you're you're here

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we get here uh we got on the chat today

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uh foreign invasion welcome fabrice

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bradley welcome so

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let me see here yeah i don't

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if there's anything big in the ufo news

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about it or have not heard about it

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it's just not something i generally

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follow i'm sure there's so many people

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specific thing

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but it's just never been my thing it's

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always i've been more interested in

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what is the whole uh point of of this

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ufo phenomena why why is it happening

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to figure that out instead of doing the

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nuts and bolts part you

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for those of you who are visiting his

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channel often they know me mentioning

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so if you know i don't have any

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you all know that and we all know

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ufos exist whether you want to call them

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uaps where they came from

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why they're here i guess i'm just gonna

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have to let the government kind of

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struggle with that one because most of

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us did you know 20

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30 years ago you know and if we found

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if and when they're ready to to i guess

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hear from the different experiences i'm

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sure we're here

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otherwise they're just gonna start the

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whole path out on their own

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trying to figure it out what it is about

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have an upper hand um over the over this

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phenomena so that they can still come

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as an authority to basically have

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something to tell us

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to make us feel safe and

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to just say don't worry we're in control

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of whatever this

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new thing is don't be afraid which in

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essence is kind of the job

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of the government but as we all know

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governments can sometimes

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overdo it and overstep so many

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boundaries and

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just cross all kinds of lines so anyway

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um all right we don't have anyone else

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sharing anything or wanting to

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speak to me yet in

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in telegram so i'm just gonna go through

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and see what it is that all of you are

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okay but you guys can hear me right

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my connection is coming through all

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right because i'm i'm seeing everything

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being streamed out and pushed out

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because i saw fabrizio said that there's

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um isa peacekeeper welcome as well

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so until we have somebody who would like

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talk and share this story on on telegram

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if there's any questions that you guys

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and open the chat ahead of time just so

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that i can get it going

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and um bring it into obs and stream it

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uh the voice chat that is so um

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with with uh bradley a bit and so

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it's always nice and if you would like

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connections we got

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everything going on so i'm like all

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right click here click there connect

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okay and yeah welcome to

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to all of you in in telegram if you

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would like to chat with me

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just raise your hand let me know

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hang tight and just listen to me

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i'm hoping that i could have some of you

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log in share some of your stories

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because that's the whole point of having

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open lines um otherwise

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that is pretty much my whole sole

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purpose because it's always i always

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uh having always you know being in this

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previous open lines there's so many

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create an online version of a ufo

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hub meeting so that and

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even though you we may not live close by

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this is a one day week

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where all of us could just come together

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listen to others and and talk

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because i remember when i still lived in

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san luis there were all these

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at least three four different meetings

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going on around town and there'll be

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hundreds of people so it was always fun

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meeting and you

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you chitchat and you you share stories

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um some would have latest experiences so

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they tell us about it

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and so um all of us being kind of

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isolated now it kind of just helps to

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just make it public make it go online

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and and give everyone a

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a fly on a wall kind of a

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view of what is going on with all these

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all right we got uh bran brian i'm gonna

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you are muted and uh uh i'll meet

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um hi um i'm brynn and i've been a

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contactee for

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uh many years decades

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thank you very much thank you anan i

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wanted to thank you

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for i've not spoken so i'm not sure if

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my voice is coming across okay i have a

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quiet low voice but i'm just

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okay cool um i just wanted to thank you

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for the work that you do

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and i know you guys are a small

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operation and i really appreciate you

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so much i noticed in your uh ozark

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conference that she had

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mary rodwell there and she had

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interviewed me

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over some of my contact experience in at

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gary hesselin or hasseltine depending on

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how you pronounce it

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emag it's called truth

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ufo truth magazine at any rate she did

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an article on me after a couple years of

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emailing me about my contact experience

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and included in some of that stuff was

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the government's obligation to bring

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forward the information and that

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uh you know it's gonna clearly everybody

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has had an opinion on that

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about um how much it's actually going to

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i'm so sorry i'm trying to take this

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hold on

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all right i guess uh we she had a phone

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call she needed to take but that's all

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right

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she'll she'll probably be back and uh

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yeah it's it's

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it's all unscripted there's um you know

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i appreciate you spending your wednesday

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with us

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and we don't have any or i try not to

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have any

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uh specific guidance because there's so

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many so many structured things and

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i'm sure if you just want to watch a

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movie you can switch off this and do

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that but

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this is just basically kind of showing

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you what is happening

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as we're all um just meeting online and

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chatting about our experiences

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um bran are you ready yes absolutely and

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i do apologize for that no problem

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um uh yeah it's getting back to the

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government's obligation

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um i had described in my contact

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experiences

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to marry into richard dolan who i really

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didn't understand about the nuts and

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bolts thing and me being an experiencer

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it was kind of a weird thing but

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um but even though many experiencers

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contact him

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it's really not his approach to it he

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likes to go for hardcore

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uh evidence and while there's evidence

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there

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um and my entire family ended up

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being mill lab uh four times over the

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years

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uh i had a lot of contact and uh

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the government had evidence of it

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obviously or they wouldn't have come

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after me and my family

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well literally uh

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what's uh termed as a mill lab i'm sorry

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a what

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a it's called a mill lab starts with an

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m as in mary

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a military abduction oh okay and they

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take

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drug you question you they

342
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yeah you know what i'm talking about

343
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yeah i don't know i'm sorry i did

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no it's okay it's all right so uh but

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some people pronounce it my lab but it's

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an acronym of military abduction

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and i've always thought about that and

348
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went well it's military isn't pronounced

349
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so my experience has been that they uh

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and this is going back a number of years

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now

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that they used impunity for many years

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against people that they knew that had

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uh

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that they had hardcore evidence of

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pictures some kind of evidence that the

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person had

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direct contact and i have a lot of

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empathy for the

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experiencer and contact community

361
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because they're considered some of the

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least

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reliable witnesses um i that

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that wouldn't be my case or a number of

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people that

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uh clearly

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they had targeted you know in terms of

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of trying to silence but for years they

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had

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and i have this feeling and i was

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thinking about it i have this feeling

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that the government will not

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be completely forthcoming about how

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they've been

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used impunity violated human rights

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treaties

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over the years uh with their handling of

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my labs or mill labs and others that

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they

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knew had contact because their policy

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for

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uh the utmost secrecy

383
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so uh my you know my my take on that was

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just the fact that i don't i don't see

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them coming forward and admitting

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the human rights violations in the

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process of

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getting the evidence and things that

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they wanted which was mostly

390
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uh wanting technology that first and

391
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foremost it was

392
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wanting technology but i was wondering

393
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what how you felt about the

394
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uh june release that's coming up and

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the government revealing those things

396
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and how much you think they'll reveal

397
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well you know

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i mentioned that i think last time that

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somebody was putting up a little

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countdown

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you know 180 days t minus so and so

402
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and um to be honest i i don't know

403
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where exactly you know where it would

404
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land other than

405
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there would be at the very beginning

406
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stages of where most of us were years

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ago

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about you know okay fine we're gonna

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admit that there's

410
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you know there's lights there's lights

411
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in the sky you know there's things that

412
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we don't know

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what they are you know and it's

414
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basically it's going to be the very

415
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beginning stages

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of you know where all of us were past it

417
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:14,720
we're like okay get let's get ready to

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get on the ships and travel to the next

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galaxy they're still right back to where

420
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there's lights you know and so uh if

421
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there is

422
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going to be a kind of some kind of

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disclosure it's going to be

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that really slow drawn out

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way to where i mean they already

426
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admitted that you know ufos exist

427
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but yet everyone just kind of okay great

428
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and then went about their lives

429
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you know pentagon didn't deny that you

430
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know the footage that they were

431
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that they released uh that was released

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about uh those um

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what is that that night vision

434
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triangular craft and um

435
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and even prior to that yeah well no not

436
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phoenix likes

437
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this was taken on uh on board of the um

438
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of this navy this navy

439
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:03,039
yeah it was a pilot like a pilot screen

440
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yeah

441
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right and so anyway so but then going

442
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back in you know new york times

443
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in 2017 with the tick tock and um

444
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you know all the releases that came out

445
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there i mean i don't know what it would

446
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:15,760
take for people to

447
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,679
to be more interested in it it's it's

448
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:19,679
still almost seems like a

449
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um i don't know how to call it but you

450
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:24,960
know how when you have these uh

451
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,720
tabloids and you're in the supermarket

452
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,000
and you go um

453
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so-and-so famous uh broke up with

454
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so-and-so famous and you're like oh

455
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:34,799
okay how bad and they're like oh let me

456
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:37,039
get a snickers and then you check out

457
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you know it's it's kind of like that

458
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,960
which is fine i mean i don't

459
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i've always said i don't need anyone to

460
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,000
really believe what

461
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:46,480
it is that i know about um it's just

462
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:48,000
this is what i'm passionate about i

463
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:49,840
shared with other people um

464
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:52,240
offer opportunities to just chat with

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like we are now

466
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,480
but you know it's my

467
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:58,400
life it's not going to change that much

468
00:22:02,230 --> 00:21:59,760
more other than

469
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:02,240
maybe now you know there will be more

470
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:04,320
outlets to hopefully get to the bottom

471
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,440
of it quicker

472
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,120
you know because somebody's you know

473
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:09,280
most people always live in this

474
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,720
i don't mean this in a negative way but

475
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:12,559
in this herd mentality it's like

476
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okay well you know i need

477
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:19,039
one billion people right to be believing

478
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,520
in this

479
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,760
then i can okay get into this if it's

480
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:23,360
you know if it's not a billion people

481
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,960
then all right then i'll just

482
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go on going to work take care of family

483
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and just go

484
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you know to a day-to-day business so

485
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regarding that i i doubt it will be

486
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:35,200
anything of significance i'll be really

487
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surprised if it

488
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is you know but it's it's still up to us

489
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:40,159
to just continue

490
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you know sharing our stories talking any

491
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pictures that we have

492
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,200
thanks to youtube we can upload thanks

493
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,799
to rumble thanks to

494
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,640
you know all these different outlets out

495
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:50,720
there we don't necessarily need

496
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,960
the mainstream news anymore or the

497
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,000
governments to really

498
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,919
put the information out there you know

499
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:57,679
we can just kind of circumvent it and

500
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,400
say hey

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00:23:01,510 --> 00:23:00,320
well i have this if you're interested

502
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:01,520
look at it if not

503
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:04,559
okay you know it's the part is when when

504
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:04,960
you

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00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:11,280
someone else's validation that's when

506
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:11,840
you

507
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:16,559
little trouble so to say because then

508
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:19,679
you make everything conditional

509
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,280
exactly and i couldn't agree with you

510
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:23,280
more on the release of that data

511
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and that basically uh disclosure

512
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:29,120
occurred a long time ago but then you

513
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:30,320
know you ha you have

514
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:33,520
uh you have outfits like nasa

515
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,320
that are constantly on the hunt for

516
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,919
intelligent life and they might find

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00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:39,520
some intelligent organism

518
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,640
if you continue to fund them and it's

519
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like the endless font for a

520
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:47,120
or hunt for a heffalump you know what

521
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:48,080
i'm saying it

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it's some creature that is non-existent

523
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and they're not going to find and for

524
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:56,880
us it's not never going to change uh

525
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:57,360
once

526
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,480
experiencer

527
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:03,120
as a contactee however your contact came

528
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:04,799
whether it was uh something visual

529
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:05,679
whether it was

530
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:09,360
c c four on uh taking on ships or

531
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:10,960
whatever it is

532
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,240
um once you once

533
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,320
your paradigm has been shifted like that

534
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:18,080
there's no unlooking it

535
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:21,279
you know basically and so we just moved

536
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:22,960
from there but i i couldn't agree with

537
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,000
you more i

538
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,559
absolutely that um this is something

539
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:28,400
that's not new to us that's not going to

540
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:29,039
change

541
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:32,480
uh our perspective uh as contactees or

542
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:33,840
experiencers

543
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:36,080
um it help it's nice that uh they

544
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:37,520
validate those things

545
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:39,039
but we don't need validation because

546
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:40,640
we've already had plenty of it that's

547
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:41,440
for sure

548
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:43,679
right well bren i don't mean to change

549
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:45,200
the subject but uh

550
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,039
you kind of dropped a huge bombshell

551
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,039
there about uh my lab or

552
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:51,520
military lab and then you we went off on

553
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:52,400
a different tension

554
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:58,470
well okay i had enough contact over the

555
00:25:02,630 --> 00:24:59,520
years that

556
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:02,640
they had evidence and through photos and

557
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:03,279
i knew through

558
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:06,640
the actual contact experience that they

559
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,520
had photos in one case it was

560
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,919
navy divers as the craft itself was

561
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:13,200
underwater

562
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:15,919
and in another case uh they allowed a

563
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:16,480
live

564
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,919
feed through so that they could

565
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,440
see and when they did could see me

566
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,440
inside the ship and they weren't really

567
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:25,200
expecting it and

568
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,120
i think because of my youth and uh

569
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,279
and the fact that i didn't look like i

570
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,960
was attached to

571
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,640
or might not have been a part of the

572
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,799
craft meaning coming from the the et

573
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:38,640
perspective

574
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,919
even though they would take me and do

575
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:43,440
things even right uh

576
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:47,120
going to like uh contacting other

577
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:49,039
people here and asking them if they

578
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,480
would be willing to take information

579
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,640
back to earth and that kind of thing

580
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,640
so it was a lot of contact experience

581
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,400
over the years

582
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:58,559
i'm sorry i i i hate to interrupt and

583
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,840
usually i don't if you

584
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,919
know how i do it's okay oh i talked with

585
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:03,600
you but can you go back i'm just a

586
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,720
little bit confused

587
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:06,720
how you started out your story just give

588
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,320
me a little bit more context who

589
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:10,240
who exactly you're referring to i'm

590
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:11,360
sorry

591
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:15,120
okay excuse me

592
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:17,679
since i was a child i had contact that

593
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,000
would have been i forgot what they

594
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,840
what heineck method would have

595
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:23,679
classified it as

596
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:28,000
but it was taken on craft a big part of

597
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,520
my contact was their almost

598
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:33,679
it seemed like almost overnight them

599
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:35,919
being able to communicate telepathically

600
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:36,559
and

601
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,240
their contact with me has really

602
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,799
expanded my own gifts at things like

603
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,159
remote viewing

604
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:44,960
uh telepathy these kind of things it was

605
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:45,840
like

606
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:49,520
dna by by having that

607
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,919
contact close contact but they would

608
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:53,120
take me and their

609
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,440
central focus was the nuclear problem

610
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:59,440
and they had said to me as a young child

611
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:01,679
they didn't want

612
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,279
they asked for my help and i said to

613
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,440
them well what do you want my help for

614
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:07,360
i'm just a little girl

615
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,240
and they said uh because we don't want

616
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,320
them to annihilate each other

617
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:14,320
and while i had a very wide vocabulary

618
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:15,919
for a young girl i said

619
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,640
uh what do you mean by annihilate and

620
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:21,120
they said uh we don't want them to

621
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,399
destroy each other

622
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:25,120
and then i said what do you mean destroy

623
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,760
each other

624
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:28,000
and then instead of speaking in words

625
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:28,880
they spoke in

626
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:32,640
uh visual visual pictures

627
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:36,159
very alive as if you're standing on

628
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,679
those grounds wherever it was in

629
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:38,960
different parts of the world where they

630
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,120
had launches of these

631
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:43,200
at these missile sites but they'd go up

632
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,559
and they wouldn't have enough lift come

633
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,480
down crash blow up the pad

634
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:48,720
another one would go up come down nose

635
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:49,840
front

636
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,880
first blow up the launch pad

637
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,960
others would you know get so far up into

638
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,720
the to the air and everyone's clapping

639
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,120
then suddenly the thing blows up

640
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:01,679
and then it finishes it off with a big

641
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,159
orange mushroom cloud

642
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:07,440
and said uh

643
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,760
and said nothing and at that point i was

644
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:11,520
so shocked by the imagery

645
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:14,000
and what they were saying which i took

646
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,600
very seriously

647
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:17,760
as i didn't question it you know i knew

648
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,640
that in all

649
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,720
sincerity that they were being honest

650
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:22,080
compassionate and

651
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:25,600
care about uh people here on earth

652
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:28,960
and then ended up on a

653
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:32,000
about a 22 to 25-year odyssey

654
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:35,200
of going being taken with them

655
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,760
during the buzzing of different missile

656
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,760
facilities around the world

657
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:41,679
along with contact experience in which

658
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,720
they were showing me things

659
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,880
in which i was connected to them and

660
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,320
they had told me from the very beginning

661
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,159
that i was like one of them

662
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,240
and that they were here to protect me

663
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:54,000
well i really couldn't digest that for a

664
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:55,679
long time because i'm a pretty sensible

665
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:56,960
person

666
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,840
i didn't really i didn't really

667
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,120
understand that

668
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,600
until many years later when the subject

669
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,039
of a

670
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:07,039
star seed and that kind of thing and the

671
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:08,799
experience there and how

672
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:11,200
some experiencers can be with the same

673
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:12,960
beings lifetime after lifetime and

674
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:14,960
that's been my experience with them so

675
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:23,750
and so in their quest to send a strong

676
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:24,399
message

677
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,159
to the military there were times when

678
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:30,000
they were just

679
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:32,240
i would call it a joy ride after you

680
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:33,679
know so many years

681
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:36,399
of being taken like that and treated

682
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:37,600
like family

683
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,880
protected and given the most profound

684
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:42,799
experiences

685
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:45,360
and then sometimes it was just like i

686
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:46,640
said a joyride

687
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,159
but they had pictures of it and

688
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,720
within 20 minutes in the first incident

689
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:54,399
in which they ended up my labbing my

690
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,360
family

691
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,200
within the first within 20 minutes of

692
00:30:05,750 --> 00:29:59,520
being floated back through the wall

693
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:08,070
my my dad who was a naval intelligence

694
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,360
officer

695
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:11,360
had received a phone call about 20

696
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,720
minutes later from his commanding

697
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:14,240
officer saying there'd been an incident

698
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,120
and then he started asking questions

699
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:19,679
and he said things like uh and my dad

700
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:20,559
was on

701
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:23,840
only home on leave for about three days

702
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,840
from vietnam and he said

703
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:29,760
uh whoever was on the phone with him

704
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:32,960
said must have said is she there because

705
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:35,840
my dad winks at me you know in my

706
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,039
jammies my mom's in the

707
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,320
in the kitchen making coffee and

708
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,320
there's only two women in the house and

709
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:44,000
i'm in the living room and the other

710
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,120
female is in the kitchen and he says

711
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:48,960
well i begging your pardon sir

712
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,840
i have two females here meaning you know

713
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:53,360
is she there

714
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,720
and then they must have specified

715
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,480
because my dad shot me this kind of look

716
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:58,159
like he was the good cop and my mom was

717
00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:59,760
a bad cop and he shot me and looked like

718
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:02,080
what have you gotten into now

719
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:05,120
and it was a very public a

720
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:08,240
very public story that many people are

721
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:09,120
really

722
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,399
very well aware of very well documented

723
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,960
but what wasn't documented by the

724
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:16,399
government or published by the

725
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,760
government even though they acknowledged

726
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:19,679
that it was a ufo incident

727
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:23,120
to the public was the fact that they

728
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,200
had pictures of two occupants but

729
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,360
during the line of questioning the mill

730
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,600
the subsequent mill lab

731
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,279
there's a lot of details here i wrote

732
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,440
about it at a blog i

733
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:37,679
would rather keep kind of private i have

734
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:38,960
nominal uh

735
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:42,559
traffic there but i i had to finally

736
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:43,679
write about it because it was

737
00:31:47,620 --> 00:31:46,240
a lot of details to it the way that uh

738
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:47,630
these men in grey from

739
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,720
[Music]

740
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:50,399
because the incident happened in canada

741
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:52,000
so these men in grey

742
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:54,799
seemed to appear out of thin air and

743
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:55,440
when they

744
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:58,399
they took after they talked my mother

745
00:32:02,710 --> 00:31:59,679
into bringing me

746
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,720
up there or with uh

747
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,880
airfare and accommodations provided by

748
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,080
them and then paying her

749
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,159
they just wanted to ask questions they

750
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:10,080
just wanted to ask a couple questions

751
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,840
but it ended up to be a seven day

752
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:14,080
nightmarish

753
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:18,080
surreptitiously drugging our food

754
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:20,960
stay at this place up on a small

755
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,440
mountain or a small hill it was maybe

756
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:25,279
eight hundred to a thousand feet high

757
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:26,799
over a valley

758
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:31,279
at any rate their line of questioning

759
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,039
i believe was based on the fact that

760
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:35,519
they thought that i was one of them

761
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,600
because they were asking things like who

762
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,360
are you what are you and where are you

763
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,200
from

764
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,360
but the the military would never

765
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:45,039
acknowledge

766
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:51,120
which i won't name here it's very well

767
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,080
known

768
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,799
they acknowledge the incident and it's

769
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,080
even on the paperwork

770
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,880
itself that you know ufo that they

771
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:59,919
identified this

772
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:01,840
but they do not they never published the

773
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:03,519
pictures they never

774
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:05,919
published uh what the yellow foam was

775
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,360
which i could describe to a t

776
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:09,360
and why it was floating on the surface

777
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:10,399
and

778
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,240
rest of it which i had

779
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,720
written and shared with mary rodwell as

780
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,399
well

781
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:20,559
and i had even contacted paul hellyer

782
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:22,320
over that particular

783
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,760
case uh a handful of years ago um

784
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,679
asking if i could you know talk with him

785
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:28,960
about that

786
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,960
since it was such a big issue and since

787
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:33,039
he was on deck at the time

788
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,480
that it went down and

789
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,399
so there was my dad getting this call

790
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,840
from his commanding officer saying

791
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,039
there'd been an incident

792
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,399
and so they debriefed him for two days

793
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,720
and then when he came home basically

794
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,240
told the family that we weren't allowed

795
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:50,320
to whisper about it even in the confines

796
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:52,240
of our home

797
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:55,039
the men in grey had literally about

798
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:57,039
three days after dad took leave back to

799
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:58,080
vietnam

800
00:34:01,350 --> 00:34:00,080
appeared out of nowhere as mom and i and

801
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:01,360
out of thin air because there was no

802
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,880
cars

803
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:05,279
there was no movement no sound they just

804
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,000
started walking

805
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,840
up towards us and at first i thought

806
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:09,679
where'd they come from but it didn't

807
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,320
really

808
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,240
become clear to my mother and i until

809
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:14,560
after they took their leave

810
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:17,679
and uh we were unloading groceries

811
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,359
all these paper bags out of the back end

812
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,200
of the car

813
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:23,040
and they came up and they made the

814
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,399
proposal to be able to

815
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:26,240
talk with me and and ask me a few

816
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,520
questions

817
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,760
and so then while my mother agreed she

818
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:31,760
was reluctant

819
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:34,320
but before the seven days were up she

820
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:35,599
was like i can't wait to get out of this

821
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:36,159
place

822
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,560
and it was nightmarish um

823
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:42,159
but when they went to take their leave

824
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:43,679
was the oddest thing and i've heard

825
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,560
other people

826
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,240
refer to this where these men and black

827
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,599
men and gray

828
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:50,159
will appear what it seems to be out of

829
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:51,280
nowhere out of thin

830
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:54,560
air and then they disappear again

831
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:57,760
and this is what i truly believe is that

832
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,960
they are a non-terrestrial element that

833
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,160
has pretty much uh

834
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:05,040
secured very powerful agencies of this

835
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:05,839
world

836
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:09,760
and that's my take on it and

837
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:11,920
while they may look very human i i do

838
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,829
and this is because the way that they

839
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:19,280
disappeared

840
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,920
as i started to look right at them they

841
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:23,119
were supposed to be turning around to

842
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:24,240
walk away

843
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:26,079
i caught part of them just disappearing

844
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,440
into thin air

845
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:30,160
and what not sure of it as a young girl

846
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:30,800
of nine

847
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:33,680
i said because this is a number this is

848
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:34,000
about

849
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:37,119
a handful of decades ago in 1967 as i'd

850
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,079
stated

851
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:40,160
and i looked at my mom and i said where

852
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,599
did they go

853
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,280
and she's like almost looking right at

854
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,359
him too but just kind of scans around

855
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,280
and this is a street that's tree-lined

856
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,680
that almost the trees almost grow right

857
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:51,280
over the top of the street

858
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,800
but it it goes on for it's more than

859
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:56,480
just a regular city block it's more like

860
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,599
three blocks long

861
00:36:00,870 --> 00:36:00,000
without breaking broken up and it's all

862
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:00,880
homes and

863
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:04,480
condominiums now and

864
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,320
so you can look both directions on that

865
00:36:10,829 --> 00:36:08,320
street and for as far as you can see on

866
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:10,839
the rise in each direction

867
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,839
uh you can see activity people walking

868
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:14,960
on the street

869
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:18,480
cars moving etc and

870
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:21,359
they never got in the car they just

871
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,200
seemed to disappear into thin air just

872
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:24,960
as they were turning around to walk away

873
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,800
and i just happened to look up and catch

874
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,160
part of it

875
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:30,880
and you know was like mom where'd they

876
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:31,839
go

877
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:36,079
and then she said uh i don't know

878
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,960
they didn't even get into a car and

879
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:40,240
she's like we're just stood there

880
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,760
baffled but

881
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,760
that was the first one and then there

882
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:45,680
was a second one a couple of months

883
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,160
later

884
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:49,040
and in all frames just have a quick

885
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:50,480
follow-up question real quick

886
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:53,520
uh so okay were you the main focus

887
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:56,079
for doing this you said your family as

888
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:56,800
well was

889
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,560
was drugged you said yes uh well my my

890
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:02,160
mother and i were drugged i'm not sure

891
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,800
about my dad's debriefing with the navy

892
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:06,880
the navy wasn't happy you know i don't

893
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:09,839
have a non-disclosure agreement so

894
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,839
after a while and then you kept being

895
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,200
you were held there

896
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:16,240
the whole seven days or

897
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:19,440
no we my mother was asked to fly

898
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:22,640
with me to back to nova scotia where the

899
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:23,280
event

900
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,880
took place and it and the uh place that

901
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,640
they took us to was about 45 minutes

902
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:29,920
outside of halifax

903
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:32,640
airport okay all right thanks for

904
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:37,750
and uh and it was a military

905
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,560
installation

906
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:40,800
and has been turned into a provincial

907
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:41,920
park

908
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:47,750
okay and then what was the you were

909
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,359
saying something about second experience

910
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:51,359
and i cut you off i'm sorry

911
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:54,560
no it's okay uh so pertaining to that

912
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:55,040
event

913
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:57,680
was a second mill lab but they turned it

914
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:58,560
they

915
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:01,920
approached my

916
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:05,440
mom knowing her name she said she

917
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:06,880
was very handsome man but she didn't

918
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:09,200
know him she said that

919
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:12,560
uh they approached her knowing her name

920
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,520
knowing my name

921
00:38:16,829 --> 00:38:15,440
knowing family and friends and said they

922
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:16,839
were a friend

923
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,920
of our family

924
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:22,000
or a friend of a friend of the family

925
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,599
kind of thing and that there was this

926
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:25,359
kid's party in april

927
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,640
even though it was a little bit early

928
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,160
for san jose it's kind of cool in

929
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,480
central california

930
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,240
beginning of april first couple of weeks

931
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,560
they had a a pool party for kids and

932
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:36,240
invited me if brenda would like to

933
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,349
she she was she's like you know i don't

934
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,880
know them but they knew everybody

935
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,960
in our family so i'll check it out and

936
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:48,240
if i feel it's um

937
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,839
safe then i'll let you go to this a

938
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:51,680
little kid's pool party

939
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,599
and it was a big house and it had lots

940
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,200
of food everywhere

941
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:57,599
and lots of kids and everyone's enjoying

942
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:58,480
the

943
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:02,079
having a good time but at some point

944
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:05,440
they i went in to get uh

945
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:08,480
i went in to get some punch it was like

946
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,920
and you know you want red punch or

947
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,000
orange punch and here i'll get it for

948
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:14,720
you well as they went to get it for me

949
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:17,200
as you know looking like clean-cut

950
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,320
middle-class

951
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:21,599
hosts with you know bermuda shorts and

952
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,320
collared t-shirts on they uh

953
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,240
surreptitiously drugged the

954
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:29,440
punch and then guided me into a hallway

955
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:32,320
to a side bedroom and then wanted to ask

956
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,640
or

957
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,200
start asking questions but but the ones

958
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:37,200
asking questions were in the bedroom and

959
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:38,240
never seen

960
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,599
at all during the party and they were

961
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:41,920
wearing suits

962
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:44,240
and the two the two in the suits then

963
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:45,280
said

964
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,599
uh they laid me down on the small bed

965
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,680
and started asking me questions and i

966
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:51,359
was scared because while i was a little

967
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:53,200
woozy from whatever they put in there

968
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,720
they didn't put too much in there and i

969
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,880
was on like whoa

970
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:58,720
and it was scary because you know am i

971
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:59,760
going to go through the same thing are

972
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:01,040
they going to hurt me what's going to

973
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:01,680
happen what

974
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:03,599
you know what are their intentions and

975
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:04,960
ironically

976
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:07,040
they ask the same line of questioning

977
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:09,440
that they did up in nova scotia

978
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,599
who are you what are you and where are

979
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:13,520
you from

980
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:16,560
to put it into context because they had

981
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:19,760
photos at one point the very human

982
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:20,319
looking

983
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,520
uh being had

984
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,680
on in the ship had was trying to get it

985
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,000
uh to shut it down properly so he's

986
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:30,319
doing all of these things manually and i

987
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:31,839
walked towards the front to ask him what

988
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:32,800
he was doing

989
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:35,119
and he tells me this he says but don't

990
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,480
don't look out the window because

991
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,160
they're looking

992
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,319
and i said who's looking and as i said

993
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:41,680
that i just because it's kind of a wrap

994
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:43,119
around window and i'm standing next to

995
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:43,920
him like by

996
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,480
in the front by a control panel i just

997
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:48,000
turned to my right and looked through

998
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:49,280
the window

999
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,760
you know with my maybe my maybe a slight

1000
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,760
scowl on my face like who's looking

1001
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,400
kind of thing and right then there was

1002
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:58,720
flashes of light in the water

1003
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,640
two big divers and one smaller one

1004
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:02,480
trying to take pictures over their

1005
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:03,599
shoulders

1006
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,880
and so we could see that they were

1007
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:06,800
taking pictures and and

1008
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:09,200
this is at night during that event and

1009
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:10,160
by

1010
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:12,319
8 20 that morning the navy was calling

1011
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:13,359
my dad saying

1012
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:14,480
there's been an incident there's going

1013
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,440
to be a debriefing

1014
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:19,680
and those those in the water those were

1015
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:22,400
you they're humans right

1016
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:25,440
in the water taking pictures of us

1017
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:28,400
yeah they were navy divers of which navy

1018
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:29,520
i couldn't identify

1019
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,560
by their uh scuba suits but you know it

1020
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,240
was either the uh

1021
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:36,560
rnc is that what they call it up in

1022
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:37,440
canada

1023
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:40,880
or uh uh the u.s navy

1024
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:43,119
uh but somehow the u.s knew about it too

1025
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:44,400
because then they questioned me with the

1026
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:45,599
same line of questioning

1027
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:49,839
you know back in my uh home city

1028
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,200
right well that's um

1029
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:56,000
so i mean your parents were they aware

1030
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,359
of what was discussed

1031
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,960
or were they not allowed to ask you any

1032
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:01,119
questions

1033
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,040
that was the most uncomfortable

1034
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:05,200
breakfast of my entire life because now

1035
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,319
my parents have both

1036
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:08,960
talked about it quietly in the kitchen

1037
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,960
and i know that the you know what's just

1038
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,880
hit the band and i was hoping that i

1039
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:14,319
could

1040
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,359
play off that it was really strange

1041
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,880
because i was hoping that i could play

1042
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:20,319
off that i was just sleeping under my

1043
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,839
cover still and that mom didn't pull the

1044
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,280
covers back to look at me because you

1045
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:25,680
could see it from the ship

1046
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,640
so the ship that was a rescue ship it

1047
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:30,319
wasn't exactly like we could turn around

1048
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,800
and say

1049
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,319
oh hey could you step on it we don't

1050
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,240
want her mother to find out and he kept

1051
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:37,200
saying inside the ship the uh rescued

1052
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:38,319
pilot with me

1053
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,680
i don't want her to find out i don't

1054
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:41,359
want her to find out i didn't really

1055
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,800
know at first what he was talking about

1056
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:44,400
but then suddenly from the ship i can

1057
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,800
see

1058
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,960
through this remote view my parents

1059
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,200
looking for me my mom all over the house

1060
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,880
and my dad around the perimeter around a

1061
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:52,480
couple of houses and asking neighbors

1062
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,680
and everything

1063
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:55,920
and then them him coming back and saying

1064
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,720
she's nowhere

1065
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,240
and said should we call the police let's

1066
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:00,160
give it a few more minutes

1067
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,800
and we were and it we were going at what

1068
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,920
i felt

1069
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:05,760
even though there was no windows open i

1070
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:08,560
felt like we were going at a very

1071
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:12,079
modest to extremely cautious pace

1072
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,520
but at the same time it's not like you

1073
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,280
could turn around and tell your rescuers

1074
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,880
hey could you step on it you know we

1075
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:18,319
don't want her mother to find out that

1076
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:19,680
she's missing

1077
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:22,800
so while i'd been having ongoing contact

1078
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,920
i was trying to keep

1079
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,160
you know the contact experience in the

1080
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:28,160
back and the business in the front

1081
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:29,520
and trying to keep the two separate and

1082
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:31,520
it was one of the uh one of the first

1083
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:32,400
times that they

1084
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:35,440
technically were advised by an

1085
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,000
agency in this in this case the navy

1086
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:40,560
that i was having contact but as a young

1087
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:41,760
child when they had

1088
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:44,640
uh as i had started to describe they had

1089
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:45,920
come to me about these

1090
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:49,200
um the nuclear issue

1091
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,480
and said they didn't want them to

1092
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:52,960
annihilate each other i was missing

1093
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,839
uh shortly thereafter i was missing for

1094
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,520
two straight days

1095
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:59,680
and uh i was living in montana at the

1096
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,640
time and was

1097
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,240
they searched everywhere for me and

1098
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:03,839
couldn't find me for two days but when i

1099
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:05,839
was returned was returned to exactly the

1100
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,319
spot they had taken me from

1101
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:10,079
and it initially didn't have any memory

1102
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,040
of it and couldn't understand why

1103
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,520
everybody was so angry at me for uh

1104
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:15,440
just showing up and they were certain

1105
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:16,880
that somebody uh

1106
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,760
in my locality had taken me and made me

1107
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,359
promise to stay quiet

1108
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:23,280
you know about them taking me but i said

1109
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,880
no it wasn't like that

1110
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,640
and when i tried to convide and confide

1111
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,160
in someone to say

1112
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,960
uh do you believe in flying saucers who

1113
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:32,319
was a dear friend of mine

1114
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,520
uh at the time a few years older than me

1115
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,760
um because he kind of said it in the

1116
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:38,880
mocking way um

1117
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:41,200
oh you mean like little green men from

1118
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:42,880
mars and was smiling at me like in a

1119
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,079
loving way but

1120
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,319
patronizing and i looked at him and put

1121
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,920
my hand up and said forget it

1122
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,520
and walked away and he said no no tell

1123
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,040
me tell me no

1124
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:53,599
forget it and i just i even knew at a

1125
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:54,319
young age

1126
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:58,560
that discussing it discussing it at all

1127
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:00,640
meant putting up with everybody else's

1128
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,839
uh debunking

1129
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,000
taunting applause and all the rest of it

1130
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,240
and i just wasn't going to have it

1131
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:11,040
so back to that first experience where

1132
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:12,800
while i had many experiences in between

1133
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,280
many

1134
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:15,359
the parents and authorities didn't find

1135
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:16,480
out about them

1136
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:19,599
each time but they uh while they they

1137
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,640
knew that i was missing

1138
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:23,200
the first time they did the earl in the

1139
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:24,480
earlier days

1140
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,079
they uh did not get confirmation whereas

1141
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,480
you know a handful of years later

1142
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:32,240
they had utter confirmation of it so

1143
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:33,520
there we are sitting there having

1144
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,880
breakfast the most uncomfortable

1145
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,800
breakfast of my entire life

1146
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,400
my parents are at one end of the table

1147
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:40,000
i'm at the other end of this

1148
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,280
like long rectangle table not too long

1149
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,440
and everybody's really quiet and my

1150
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,440
mom's kind of whispering to my dad and i

1151
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:49,200
can tell that she wants to

1152
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:51,200
say something and he's saying telling

1153
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:52,720
her you know now

1154
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:55,599
take it easy you know she's been through

1155
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:56,319
a lot and

1156
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:00,319
and don't like you know so so again

1157
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,680
dad's playing the good cop and he's

1158
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,440
trying you know and then

1159
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,280
my mom kept going i have to ask i have

1160
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:07,119
to ask and finally she burst out and

1161
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:08,160
says

1162
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:12,000
why would you why would you even go with

1163
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:15,760
with with beings like that

1164
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,119
and i looked at her and i said like

1165
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,040
all i just looked at her with a butt

1166
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:23,920
hurt face and said

1167
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,839
those are my friends and if you can

1168
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,119
imagine they're like

1169
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:31,280
you're a parent you're concerned you're

1170
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,160
scared

1171
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:34,160
and you know when you get so mad you're

1172
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:35,440
almost shaking

1173
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:37,839
and they're like she's shaking and and

1174
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:38,560
going

1175
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:43,760
they're not your friends and my poor mom

1176
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:46,319
and uh i got up from the table and i was

1177
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:47,680
gonna have any of it and i left the

1178
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:48,720
breakfast but it was the most

1179
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,160
uncomfortable breakfast of my life

1180
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,000
because yeah my parents were quite aware

1181
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:54,319
of what was going on they just been told

1182
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,440
dad's in trouble with with work because

1183
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,520
well the navy wasn't happy about his

1184
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,040
daughter having contact

1185
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:03,359
i mean it was just like because nothing

1186
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,560
had happened

1187
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,400
during that whole event that uh would

1188
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:08,640
have warranted it being an issue of

1189
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:12,400
national security or it being a a breach

1190
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:12,640
of

1191
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:20,000
or a protected facility or anything like

1192
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:21,359
that of some of the other stuff that

1193
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:22,160
they did

1194
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:25,200
it was simply to show me how they fly in

1195
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,160
the air

1196
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:28,319
and then they they morph their their

1197
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,200
shape to

1198
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:31,839
more like a tic tac and then go under

1199
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:32,559
water

1200
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,480
but was there no concern yeah was there

1201
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:36,240
no concern on their end just

1202
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:39,680
you know never mind you know um

1203
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,280
uh you know official um and

1204
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,599
what do you call them um basically like

1205
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:47,280
which parent would not be concerned

1206
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,760
about

1207
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,680
you know are you okay you know what

1208
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:51,200
happened to you you know it's a kind of

1209
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,400
like having

1210
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:55,040
sleepless nights instead of just kind of

1211
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,839
uh

1212
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,680
letting the government say okay don't

1213
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,440
don't talk to her about this and

1214
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,920
kind of letting them control the family

1215
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:03,760
dynamics

1216
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:07,359
well my dad was a lifer in the navy

1217
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,920
my mom and dad have divorced since then

1218
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:10,960
i had more

1219
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:13,359
uh a contact experience that they had

1220
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:14,960
evidence of and

1221
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:17,359
then and i i won't be describing it but

1222
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,359
there was a second mill lab or two more

1223
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:21,440
mill labs over a second incident about

1224
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:23,359
two years later

1225
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:26,160
and it was i feel lucky to have survived

1226
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:27,440
it

1227
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,599
and they had attacked my mom in front of

1228
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:31,440
me using uh

1229
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:33,839
impunitive techniques in uh that were

1230
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,200
right out of the windsec

1231
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:37,200
manual on torture you know hurting a

1232
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,559
child in front of a parent

1233
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,920
hurting a parent in front of a child

1234
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,240
kind of stuff right

1235
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:44,559
so for them to do that they had to have

1236
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:46,400
hardcore evidence they did

1237
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,920
and uh but my parents my parents were

1238
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:51,359
too intimidated

1239
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,520
my dad was and mom were just too

1240
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:55,280
intimidated and i have no idea really

1241
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,720
because my dad didn't discuss it with me

1242
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:58,480
and want to scare me more than i already

1243
00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:59,040
was

1244
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,160
going through and

1245
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,839
may have discussed it with my mom who

1246
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:05,200
might have kept it to herself

1247
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:08,160
but i have no idea what what the navy

1248
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,119
threatened

1249
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,240
silence for many

1250
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:14,880
many years did you by any chance discuss

1251
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:15,599
any of it

1252
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:18,640
later with with them once you got bit

1253
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:19,440
older or

1254
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:22,720
did that ever happen well

1255
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:25,359
i it was discussed later because at one

1256
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,760
point

1257
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:27,680
well it was discussed a couple of years

1258
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:28,800
later

1259
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:32,400
with my mom not at great length but

1260
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:35,760
she it was more like she she wasn't mad

1261
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:36,640
or upset

1262
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:40,880
about me having contact

1263
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:44,240
as much as she was more upset

1264
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:50,069
i'm sorry one more time she was she

1265
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:51,920
wasn't upset she was

1266
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,839
yeah she was it wasn't so much that she

1267
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,599
wasn't upset about it because initially

1268
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:57,359
they were just in shock and scared for

1269
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:58,319
me

1270
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:01,520
but a couple years later

1271
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,640
what was instead of it being that being

1272
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:05,920
the focus

1273
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:08,000
of you know my god you're having contact

1274
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,599
and this is scary or whatever and trying

1275
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,960
to address it

1276
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,319
she didn't know they just didn't know

1277
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:14,400
how to to deal with it

1278
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:17,440
and um and when

1279
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,400
their reaction during a second or

1280
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:22,160
actually a third and fourth which is a

1281
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,200
separate

1282
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:25,040
uh contact experience that they had

1283
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:27,760
evidence of me being inside a ship

1284
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:28,880
because of both of them they had

1285
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:31,359
pictures of me inside the ship

1286
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:34,800
and um you mean your parents did

1287
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,920
no the military military okay

1288
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:39,520
yeah the military had pictures my

1289
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:40,960
parents didn't know anything they're

1290
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:42,559
just being told by

1291
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:44,720
the military did you have a friend how

1292
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,589
okay the the the pictures

1293
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:53,599
in the first case were taken by some

1294
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:56,079
kind of navy divers either the

1295
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:59,200
rnc oh i seen that okay

1296
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,280
and then the pictures the picture the

1297
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:03,599
picture was a still from a live

1298
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,160
feed that had to do with

1299
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:10,400
it i can't go into it right now because

1300
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:11,680
i haven't really revealed

1301
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,839
come forward with that story yet sure

1302
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:15,280
but it involved

1303
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:21,510
it involved the military a branch of the

1304
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:23,200
military the army

1305
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:26,800
which conducts my labs or mill labs

1306
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:35,589
and they and the picture that they had

1307
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:36,480
was a still

1308
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,559
of a live beat and they knew that i was

1309
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:41,839
in that ship and they

1310
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:45,440
they found me uh within a couple of

1311
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:46,640
short days

1312
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,839
they came to my school in a uniform in

1313
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:51,280
brown uniforms

1314
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:54,400
uh three men asking for me by name and

1315
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:54,960
we were

1316
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,559
had just moved from san jose to the

1317
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:58,880
lancaster palmdale area

1318
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:00,880
and mom had taken a job temporarily and

1319
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:02,640
then was going to be moving closer into

1320
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:03,040
the los

1321
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,880
angeles basin to be closer to her

1322
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:06,319
brother and my aunt and uncle and

1323
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:07,839
everybody

1324
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:12,000
and uh and cousins and at any rate

1325
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:13,440
we were only going to be living there a

1326
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:16,240
short while and at the time i had

1327
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:19,280
no idea adnan that

1328
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:22,720
palmdale was a snake pit of black ops

1329
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,440
for

1330
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:25,440
the space programs or even secret space

1331
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:26,800
program

1332
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:30,319
no idea and so they came to the door

1333
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,680
asking for me they wouldn't give any

1334
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,839
other information the teacher was

1335
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:34,960
reluctant to let me go

1336
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,480
she goes you know she shuts the door in

1337
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,240
their face and says do you know why

1338
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:39,839
men in uniform are coming to ask for you

1339
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:41,520
i said well my dad's away in vietnam

1340
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:42,319
right now

1341
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,079
but as a child i wasn't thinking that it

1342
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:46,240
wouldn't be army branch that would come

1343
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:48,000
to me to give me the bad news and they

1344
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:49,280
wouldn't go to the child that would go

1345
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:50,160
to the next

1346
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:52,400
living adult but i wasn't thinking at

1347
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:53,680
the time

1348
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:56,640
brian can i ask you real quick so why is

1349
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:56,960
it

1350
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,079
they could just ask you

1351
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,319
to have them tell what you know instead

1352
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,400
for them having to go to that extent

1353
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,960
to traumatize you and dramatize your

1354
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:08,319
family to that level

1355
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,520
and that gets yeah i'm sorry that gets

1356
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:13,760
back to what i had said before which is

1357
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:14,400
uh

1358
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,960
there were great i can't i cannot be the

1359
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:18,640
only contact either was dragged in by

1360
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:19,920
the government

1361
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:21,680
and i cannot be the only contactee that

1362
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,119
they showed impunity to

1363
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:27,280
so you know that over the years and it

1364
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,400
being decades almost seven decades of

1365
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,280
airtight secrecy that others had to have

1366
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:35,599
experienced something similar or worse

1367
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:38,960
that's all i know right but

1368
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:42,000
what i'm saying is why did they feel

1369
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:43,200
like or do you have any

1370
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,520
answers regarding that why drag you why

1371
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,040
not just say what happened

1372
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:49,040
you know or ins instead instead of

1373
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:50,800
having to you know go through these

1374
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:51,599
instead of doing

1375
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:53,040
doing all the horrible things that they

1376
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:55,839
did and they did they went to great even

1377
00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:59,520
that first one um they had

1378
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:02,079
at one point surreptitiously drugged our

1379
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,119
meal

1380
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,680
not gone through the daily routine of

1381
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:07,520
asking the same questions again the

1382
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,559
questioning

1383
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:10,640
they took and moved my mother from the

1384
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:12,400
area we were sleeping in

1385
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:15,760
at this lodge and put her wherever i

1386
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:16,960
don't know where

1387
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,040
and then um when i i came to

1388
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:23,359
after falling asleep right after uh

1389
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:24,240
eating uh

1390
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,800
something for dinner i realized my mom

1391
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:28,160
wasn't there so i started calling out to

1392
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:29,440
her no response

1393
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,720
i went to turn the light on because it

1394
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:32,480
felt scary in the dark

1395
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,520
and because i'm a kid i'm a

1396
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,760
nine-year-old kid i was eight at that

1397
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:36,880
actually i was eight

1398
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:39,839
and i uh went to flip the light switches

1399
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:41,599
on and that there was three men there

1400
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:43,440
that wore suits that claimed that they

1401
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:44,640
were from the government but they never

1402
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,160
showed id the whole time

1403
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:48,240
okay they won the same ones that

1404
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:50,079
disappeared out of appeared up thin air

1405
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,920
and disappeared into thin air by asking

1406
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:53,359
us to go there

1407
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:56,880
then they uh had met us at the airport

1408
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:57,920
they were there they were doing the

1409
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:58,799
questioning

1410
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:00,799
so suddenly i can't find them but there

1411
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,240
were these

1412
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:04,480
lumbering big men that were wearing

1413
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:07,440
clown masks jumping out of shadows

1414
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:09,040
when the light switch wouldn't go on so

1415
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,280
they they flipped off the breaker

1416
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:13,200
they're hiding her somewhere and then

1417
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:14,480
they're using

1418
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:17,839
this this

1419
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,160
some kind of shock method on me

1420
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:24,880
to scare the wits out of me and i think

1421
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:27,040
a big part of that

1422
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:30,240
has to do with the type of beings

1423
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:34,400
that have are controlling those

1424
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:42,549
what we think are humans occupying

1425
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:44,400
places like the men in black the men in

1426
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,440
gray

1427
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:47,359
this gets down to the shadow people but

1428
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:49,520
i believe that they're all archonic

1429
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:51,280
because they do move interdimensionally

1430
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,799
and i was having a conversation about

1431
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,559
this the other day about how

1432
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,480
shadow people are not a separate entity

1433
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:58,640
it is just the the soul or the being of

1434
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:59,680
the archonic

1435
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:02,079
body or it would be like our solar or

1436
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:02,720
spirit

1437
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,119
our light body but there's this black it

1438
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,599
doesn't hold any light

1439
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:09,599
and looks like a shadow and they move

1440
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:11,119
interdimensionally all the time while

1441
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:12,880
they tell you to hold on to your

1442
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:16,160
your skin and uh be grateful for the one

1443
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:19,040
life that you do have

1444
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:22,319
so at any rate i

1445
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:25,440
i truly believe that that has

1446
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:27,760
that has everything to do with the

1447
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,559
impunity

1448
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:30,960
and the secrecy because that particular

1449
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:32,880
race of the few races that are known to

1450
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:34,000
be here

1451
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,960
is one that really wants to hide its uh

1452
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:38,079
its

1453
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:42,319
earth

1454
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,480
and they are extremely malevolent

1455
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,880
and they feed off of the like draco

1456
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:49,680
types

1457
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:52,960
as what they are the archonic dracos

1458
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:55,200
is what i call them because the archons

1459
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:56,480
are not separate the

1460
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:58,880
men in black or the uh shadow people are

1461
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:00,400
not separate that is just them moving

1462
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:02,000
about in a different way

1463
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:05,119
same ones and they are very malevolent

1464
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:06,640
but they feed off of

1465
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,680
the energy field of humans uh in fear so

1466
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:11,040
they create a lot of fear

1467
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:14,400
and this really matches their um

1468
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:18,240
the way that they're hardwired as a as

1469
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:21,680
beings as a species and so there's where

1470
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:24,799
your impunity comes from

1471
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,240
so are you basically saying throughout

1472
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:28,640
your life so you go off you have an

1473
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:29,440
experience

1474
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:32,079
with these um extraterrestrials then the

1475
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,119
military

1476
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:35,200
interrogates you then you go back having

1477
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:36,720
another experience again

1478
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:38,720
then they interrogate you after that

1479
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:39,920
trying to find out what you're so it

1480
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:41,520
just kind of goes back and forth for you

1481
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:42,400
is that

1482
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:45,599
i mean uh yeah simplify but would you

1483
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:46,880
kind of

1484
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:49,760
yeah that would be a nutshell that's

1485
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,400
pretty much

1486
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,559
in a nutshell there was two mill labs my

1487
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:54,000
labs for the first

1488
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:55,440
event that they actually had pic a

1489
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:57,200
picture of me in a ship

1490
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:58,960
and with the second event that they had

1491
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:01,440
a picture of me inside of a ship

1492
00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:03,440
they used fake spacemen because they

1493
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,589
get they wanted to try to get start off

1494
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:11,440
by getting technological information

1495
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:12,480
about his ship

1496
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:13,920
which they could have given me had he

1497
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:16,160
not had to use the baton that one very

1498
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:18,319
one time in all those decades with the

1499
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:20,079
little lights on top of it

1500
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,839
because before he brought me back the

1501
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:23,680
night of

1502
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:26,559
the in question where they had an open

1503
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:27,920
line of visual

1504
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:29,200
and if you had the whole story then

1505
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:30,720
you'd understand the context of it we

1506
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:32,480
don't think we have enough time for that

1507
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:36,160
tonight but the um nobody else has

1508
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,000
raised their hand to want to talk so

1509
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:40,720
you know feel free and welcome to share

1510
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,079
what you like

1511
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:44,480
but part of that is a little bit

1512
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:46,079
reluctant to come forward on that

1513
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,000
particular story yet

1514
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,400
but it like naming it but let's put it

1515
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:52,559
this way both of them were extremely

1516
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:55,119
high profile in that they hit the news

1517
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:56,720
they were investigated

1518
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:01,040
they were known to be ufos involved

1519
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:03,920
and one of them happened to be something

1520
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,200
involving nasa

1521
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,680
the first one involved canada but the

1522
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:09,119
united states acted like

1523
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:12,799
that was their jurisdiction and uh

1524
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,319
the second one involved the an army

1525
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:18,000
branch that carried out the mylab

1526
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:21,680
mill lab and uh and

1527
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:24,960
and got et assistance so at

1528
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,400
between two different mill or i should

1529
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:30,720
let me get the count straight there's

1530
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:32,000
two mill labs associated

1531
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:34,400
to the first event that they had

1532
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:35,200
evidence of

1533
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:37,040
because i've had much con a lot of

1534
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:40,079
contact in between and before and after

1535
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:44,160
decades of it and they

1536
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:46,160
and but they they only came after me

1537
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:47,760
during the times that they had hard

1538
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:51,839
evidence of me uh having that contact

1539
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:53,359
in the first one they thought that i was

1540
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:55,359
one of them in the second one

1541
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:58,000
uh they wanted to know a first about his

1542
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:59,119
uh ship

1543
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:01,200
they protect the fake spaceman pretended

1544
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:02,319
that they knew

1545
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:04,720
uh him from a dis from a planet far far

1546
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:05,440
away yes

1547
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:08,079
they actually said that from a planet

1548
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:09,280
far far away

1549
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:10,960
and i i thought that it was so odd that

1550
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:12,400
they were wearing gloves

1551
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:15,680
and and uh dark advisors

1552
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:18,000
as they asked these things because and

1553
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,119
they were trying to pretend you know

1554
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:21,200
like my name is garfon and i'm from a

1555
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:21,839
planet far

1556
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:24,400
far away and we think we know the person

1557
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:25,280
you know whose

1558
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:26,880
ship you were on and we were wondering

1559
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:28,640
if you could tell us a little bit about

1560
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:30,160
his ship

1561
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:33,200
and they had but this is where they had

1562
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:35,119
taken me from my school

1563
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:37,200
they manhandled me when they took me out

1564
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:40,079
the door they grabbed me by the arms

1565
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,960
and they manhandled me and i had already

1566
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:44,640
told my teacher my teacher's like

1567
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:46,480
well if it is your dad would you please

1568
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:48,319
report back and i had said

1569
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:50,880
i don't know my dad's in vietnam well my

1570
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:51,359
dad

1571
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:54,480
uh was okay but i of course at that time

1572
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:56,079
didn't understand and

1573
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:57,760
here i've got army people i'm thinking

1574
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:59,119
it's related to my dad

1575
01:01:02,549 --> 01:01:01,200
is this about my dad is my dad what is

1576
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:02,559
this about and is there

1577
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,240
man handling me and squeezing my arms

1578
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:06,480
with a vice grip

1579
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:09,200
two big guys a shorter one came around

1580
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:10,640
the front of me as soon as my

1581
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:12,400
classroom door clicked shut and she

1582
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,680
stopped looking through the

1583
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:15,280
you know crack of it she's watching the

1584
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:17,440
man handling me and i'm shaking my head

1585
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:18,240
like oh

1586
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:19,599
help me help me kind of thing but i'm

1587
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,400
not trying not to vocalize it

1588
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:24,240
so that i don't draw their attention or

1589
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:25,920
their ear

1590
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:29,119
and then uh the the third guy

1591
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:31,040
came around to the front of me and walks

1592
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:32,559
backwards and sprays me with this little

1593
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:34,079
tiny canister and his hand

1594
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:36,160
smells like wd-40 and everything went

1595
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,119
black

1596
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:39,280
so when i did finally return to school

1597
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:43,750
everybody had asked me are you in

1598
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,760
trouble with the military why did the

1599
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:48,000
military drag you out to a car

1600
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:49,760
and this kind of thing there were a lot

1601
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:51,280
of witnesses

1602
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:52,799
and it could have been very bad and they

1603
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:55,200
were actually contemplating much worse

1604
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:58,480
and i may not i if things had not gone

1605
01:02:01,190 --> 01:02:00,160
better or gone as well as they did i

1606
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,200
should say

1607
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:03,200
even as horrific as it was with those

1608
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:06,000
two mill labs to me and to my mom

1609
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:09,440
um i wouldn't be here to be able to talk

1610
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:10,319
about it

1611
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:13,920
right and so i mean

1612
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:16,960
i guess there's no end no end in sight

1613
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:18,640
for this that just as long as you keep

1614
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:19,680
having contact

1615
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:21,200
they'll just keep going as long as they

1616
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:22,559
feel like they can get something from

1617
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:25,440
you information wise right

1618
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:27,200
if if they have hard enough evidence

1619
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:28,880
they'll drag anybody in

1620
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:32,160
that's what i have witnessed i can't

1621
01:02:34,230 --> 01:02:33,760
believe that i'm the exception to the

1622
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:34,240
rule

1623
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:37,680
with millions of contactees

1624
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:40,480
right and so what what do you think this

1625
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:43,760
is ultimately going with you personally

1626
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:48,960
well it really it was uh it was very um

1627
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:51,039
secret for i just kept those two lives

1628
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:53,599
separate i kept my contact life

1629
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:56,640
and my mundane everyday earth life

1630
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:59,359
kind of just separate um even though

1631
01:03:04,630 --> 01:02:59,680
they

1632
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:04,640
just my mother not able to find me for

1633
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:05,839
hours and i would be

1634
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:08,160
somewhere else all together and i

1635
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:09,839
wouldn't tell her i would never tell her

1636
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:11,440
i would just you know i'm sorry i was

1637
01:03:14,829 --> 01:03:13,280
out playing i didn't hear you that kind

1638
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:14,839
of thing

1639
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:18,319
i i didn't want them

1640
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:20,319
shocked and upset because it was obvious

1641
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:21,599
from the first time that they didn't

1642
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:22,319
know that

1643
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:24,720
it was very upsetting to them but my

1644
01:03:28,829 --> 01:03:25,680
experience was

1645
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:28,839
with very peaceful beings and a very

1646
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:30,240
enlightening

1647
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:31,920
and there were things that they showed

1648
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:33,839
me over time too about

1649
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,160
some aspects of the military and

1650
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:38,240
different things about other races

1651
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:39,920
here that are not so nice they're

1652
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:42,480
malevolent and it told me

1653
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:46,079
that they care a lot not only about me

1654
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:47,280
personally but about

1655
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:50,400
humanity in general with their focus on

1656
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:53,599
nuclear weapons and they're pointing out

1657
01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:55,839
of things that you we really don't have

1658
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:58,720
access to uh

1659
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:00,880
popping in like to tell taking intel

1660
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:02,799
saying they would say he would say to me

1661
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:06,079
this same contact he would say to me

1662
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:08,400
uh you need to see this and then he

1663
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:09,200
would would

1664
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:12,319
remain reserved not tried to impress me

1665
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:12,720
or

1666
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:14,799
not try to influence me so he wouldn't

1667
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:16,000
say anything even when i would turn

1668
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:17,920
around and go what was that

1669
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:20,079
like that was scary what was that and he

1670
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:21,920
would just show me because he wanted me

1671
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:23,599
to walk away with what

1672
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:26,160
i saw and how i was digesting it not

1673
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:28,480
adding anything to it

1674
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:31,839
and and so there was a lot of

1675
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:34,480
uh additional experiences in there in

1676
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:36,079
which they were trying to expose some of

1677
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:37,119
the things

1678
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:39,119
that these more malevolent ones are

1679
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:40,160
doing or involved

1680
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:43,680
with and and there is a a much

1681
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:46,640
wider relationship with uh

1682
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:48,160
non-terrestrials at least

1683
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:51,359
four of five known malevolent

1684
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:53,760
races these are just the malevolent ones

1685
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:55,039
you know they try to say that there's

1686
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:57,680
three races of three different competing

1687
01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:00,240
races here but there's a lot more and

1688
01:05:04,390 --> 01:05:02,000
they're not really competing

1689
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:04,400
uh they're it's more of a case of the

1690
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:06,880
peaceful ones want to maintain diplomacy

1691
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:08,960
and not use action

1692
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:11,599
but there's these other malevolent ones

1693
01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:12,960
that have been present on earth for

1694
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:14,319
thousands of years

1695
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:17,680
that have their agenda and

1696
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:19,359
uh and the peaceful ones try to

1697
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:22,480
intervene when they can but

1698
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,200
it's a quagmire and i and i honestly and

1699
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:27,119
this is what i honestly believe adam

1700
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:29,599
i truly believe that the united states

1701
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:31,680
as much as it brags of being the

1702
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:34,160
strongest military in the world is

1703
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:37,280
unwilling to admit that they have gotten

1704
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:39,359
that these malevolent ones that they

1705
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:41,359
made deals with the wrong ones back in

1706
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:43,520
the late 30s early 40s

1707
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:44,799
and that these malevolent ones have

1708
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:46,960
gotten their foot in the door

1709
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:49,520
and they can't extricate themselves

1710
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:51,280
therein from the situation

1711
01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:52,720
and that they don't have any control

1712
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:55,039
over it and that these malevolent ones

1713
01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:55,760
really run

1714
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:58,160
a lot it's not just the united states

1715
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:58,799
though it is

1716
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:01,119
other countries but not all countries as

1717
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:02,400
they've shown me

1718
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:04,960
have malevolent races there some have

1719
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:06,079
peaceful ones

1720
01:06:10,630 --> 01:06:09,280
right bren uh uh just please hold on one

1721
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:10,640
quick second i just want to address the

1722
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:11,839
audience real quick

1723
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:14,160
so anyone everyone watching uh brandon

1724
01:06:19,029 --> 01:06:15,920
has been sharing their

1725
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:19,039
you know experiences that are just

1726
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:22,319
um very riveting and um you know i hope

1727
01:06:26,549 --> 01:06:23,520
you get something from it

1728
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:26,559
you know and uh different contexts

1729
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:28,720
different things are happening they they

1730
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:30,400
happen differently to different people

1731
01:06:33,510 --> 01:06:31,280
sometimes

1732
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:33,520
we i guess if you can consider yourself

1733
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:34,799
lucky we have these

1734
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:36,799
great experiences and contacts where

1735
01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:37,839
just these

1736
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:40,960
loving caring beings

1737
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:43,039
share this you know information that's

1738
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:44,880
very beneficial to us and then

1739
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:47,280
we have an experience like bren did and

1740
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:47,920
i'm very

1741
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:50,160
happy and glad that she finally you know

1742
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:51,280
i'm sure she

1743
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:53,920
she mentioned she she shared it with um

1744
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:55,280
may rodwell and

1745
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:56,640
you know has been talking about her

1746
01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:59,039
experiences but um

1747
01:07:02,150 --> 01:07:01,200
throughout research you know throughout

1748
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:02,160
my research and

1749
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:03,760
i'm sure everyone else has been into

1750
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:06,720
this it's there is a

1751
01:07:12,069 --> 01:07:10,160
a a sliver of that

1752
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:12,079
military involvement that's always kind

1753
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:13,440
of in the background

1754
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:15,119
and it's not often talked about so i'm

1755
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:17,039
glad she was able to call in and talk

1756
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:17,920
about that

1757
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:21,280
but you can also join us on telegram

1758
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:23,680
you can download the app on the phone or

1759
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:24,720
on the computer

1760
01:07:29,589 --> 01:07:27,760
and simply find the ufo hub group

1761
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:29,599
and you'll see the voice chat going on

1762
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:32,400
right now join it and um

1763
01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:34,079
tap the button which you know it

1764
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:35,440
basically uh

1765
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:37,280
uh tells me that you would like to speak

1766
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:38,480
to me and then

1767
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:40,799
you know we'll after brent is done we'll

1768
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:42,400
we'll get to you as well

1769
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:45,200
it's simply open lines call in share

1770
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:46,319
your stories

1771
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:49,119
if not then at least log into telegram

1772
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:49,680
or

1773
01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:53,119
watching this this video and just

1774
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:56,559
enjoy and if you like the the um

1775
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,480
these kind of things please make sure to

1776
01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:00,319
subscribe hit your like button

1777
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,960
and um i would like to get back to to

1778
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:04,559
talk to brent some more

1779
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:08,079
so brian i wanted to just real quick um

1780
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:10,079
um sorry i had to i wanted to make that

1781
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:11,359
announcement because i've been seeing

1782
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:13,200
people coming in and out so i don't know

1783
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:13,920
who else

1784
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:16,480
is new watching or who's been here this

1785
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:17,440
whole time

1786
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:20,159
but um during the conference uh the very

1787
01:08:24,149 --> 01:08:21,279
first speaker was

1788
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:24,159
princess janae and she's from the far

1789
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:25,679
side institute that was started by

1790
01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:26,960
courtney brown

1791
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:29,359
and uh it was interesting she talked uh

1792
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:30,719
there was a

1793
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:32,640
the whole segment that they covered

1794
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:34,400
about the remote viewed

1795
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:37,199
um and this person remote viewing it was

1796
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:38,400
very interesting the way he was

1797
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:39,920
describing and he says

1798
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:43,359
these people here kind of have this

1799
01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:46,719
i guess this alternative motive

1800
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:49,279
and the the other people that were more

1801
01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:50,319
human looking

1802
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:51,920
which then he felt like there were more

1803
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:53,199
government types they felt like they

1804
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:54,960
were getting something out of it

1805
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:56,960
while in reality they were part of my

1806
01:09:01,590 --> 01:08:58,719
french getting screwed you know

1807
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:01,600
and so um it's interesting you said that

1808
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:03,040
because when i was watching

1809
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,719
uh what she was presenting and talking

1810
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:06,480
about you know it kind of correlates

1811
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:13,189
uh yeah i i'm familiar with the far side

1812
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:14,080
institute and

1813
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:17,440
uh that guy was very talented um

1814
01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:19,440
and courtney is a great guy he's a

1815
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:20,719
really good person i think he's doing a

1816
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:22,159
good thing there trying to get

1817
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:23,839
other people trained to do that kind of

1818
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:25,679
stuff really miss

1819
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:28,719
ingo too it's really sad but

1820
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:30,960
um yeah you know as far as the

1821
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:32,159
experience goes

1822
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:35,440
my only real negative experience

1823
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:38,319
was not with my contact experience over

1824
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:39,839
decades

1825
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:42,480
it was with the military and or

1826
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:43,759
government's reaction

1827
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:47,199
to my contact yeah other than that it

1828
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:47,600
was

1829
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:49,199
the most wonderful experience and i

1830
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:50,719
wouldn't have changed or

1831
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:52,880
a regret i have never regretted any any

1832
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:54,159
of my contact experience but i wouldn't

1833
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:56,080
have changed it for anything

1834
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:59,760
um you know it just it is what it is but

1835
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:00,880
once you um

1836
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:03,040
once you cross that threshold and it's

1837
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:04,000
you know

1838
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:06,640
you see the technology in work you

1839
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:08,080
experience it

1840
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:11,600
uh the telepathy the expansion of the

1841
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:13,360
consciousness

1842
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:16,239
the uh even bouncing through time like

1843
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:17,040
you know

1844
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:19,520
going ahead a few years and coming back

1845
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:20,239
again

1846
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:23,679
it is all part and parcel

1847
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:26,480
of an awakening experience and i'd say

1848
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:28,080
50 percent of

1849
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:30,080
of contact experience isn't about

1850
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:32,480
technology and nuts and bolts evidence

1851
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,719
it is about consciousness and the

1852
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:36,239
expansion of consciousness

1853
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:40,080
and uh and i i feel absolutely uh

1854
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:43,360
almost uh more than fortunate

1855
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:45,679
almost like gifted that i had the

1856
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:47,600
positive experience that i did that they

1857
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:49,520
opened my eyes to so many things around

1858
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:50,719
us

1859
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:52,400
and you know putting it all to print

1860
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:54,080
i've got to i'm thinking

1861
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:57,440
i really need to write all of it and

1862
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:58,880
a lot of people it's very easy for them

1863
01:11:02,229 --> 01:11:00,560
to publish for me it's hard putting

1864
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,239
those things out there

1865
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:04,719
um but i come from uh you know i'm a

1866
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:07,040
child of the 60s

1867
01:11:12,149 --> 01:11:09,840
i'll be 62 at the end of the month and

1868
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:12,159
i'm a child of the 60s and back then

1869
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:15,600
as you know 60s and 70s uh it was

1870
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:19,120
not widely discussed there was

1871
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:22,560
so much um and even before that in the

1872
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:23,679
50s

1873
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:27,040
so much stigma surrounding

1874
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:30,800
uh being a contactee almost as if uh

1875
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:34,159
you know i you know

1876
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:35,280
as if you're some kind of loose

1877
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:36,480
candidate or something like there's

1878
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:38,560
something wrong with you but

1879
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:41,360
uh that's all part and parcel of the

1880
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:43,120
propaganda we all know that and i know

1881
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:44,719
that i'm preaching to the choir too

1882
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:46,239
about that

1883
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:48,400
but there was a lot of impunity attached

1884
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:49,760
to that and it's not that wasn't

1885
01:11:54,070 --> 01:11:52,560
really so much the focus of what i

1886
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:54,080
wanted to say i just wanted to say that

1887
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:55,600
it was such a contrast

1888
01:12:00,070 --> 01:11:58,320
between the two between the you know my

1889
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:00,080
contact experience was

1890
01:12:04,709 --> 01:12:03,120
absolutely uber and uh

1891
01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:04,719
the reaction of the government was

1892
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:06,840
absolutely

1893
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:09,199
horrific right and

1894
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:12,239
you know good yeah no i was just going

1895
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:13,679
to say and and so here they want to

1896
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:15,120
release all of this information but i

1897
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:16,719
can guarantee you

1898
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,709
um it's very interesting you know we als

1899
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:26,640
we all really start out you know with

1900
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:29,040
this scientific approach right because

1901
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:31,040
everything's about what you see

1902
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,280
you know what can you prove what you

1903
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:35,040
hear you know all these things that you

1904
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:37,040
can have maybe a recording of whether

1905
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:37,679
visuals

1906
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,719
or more tangible and more nuts and bolts

1907
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:42,480
that's what nuts and bolts is all about

1908
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,880
yeah

1909
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:44,640
right and and the thing is it's not that

1910
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:46,640
most of us immediately wanted to kind of

1911
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:48,159
get out of that it's where

1912
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:50,960
it eventually led that showed that

1913
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:52,640
that's not what's happening

1914
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:55,920
in in the general uh picture i mean

1915
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:58,159
it's one thing to you know to say oh

1916
01:13:01,750 --> 01:12:59,840
it's all about love and light and

1917
01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:01,760
it truly is but it's one of these things

1918
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:03,760
when somebody has been through some very

1919
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:06,159
you know horrific and horrible things

1920
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:07,840
you know it's it's so difficult to just

1921
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:09,679
kind of um

1922
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:11,760
have them even to get to start this

1923
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:13,280
healing process to where

1924
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:16,080
uh try to look past it you know try to

1925
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:16,800
see

1926
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:18,640
you know what was the whole point of

1927
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:20,159
that you know and then there's of course

1928
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:21,679
these different understandings like

1929
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:24,640
i don't know if you if you agree but you

1930
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:25,600
know i was always

1931
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:27,280
during my experiences you know there was

1932
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:29,840
a time when um i was kind of

1933
01:13:33,669 --> 01:13:31,840
you know having these experiences where

1934
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:33,679
i have a thought and i would get an

1935
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,159
answer

1936
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:36,320
you know so i would play around with

1937
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:38,080
that and so i had this thought about

1938
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:39,679
well what is about this government

1939
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:42,640
right what why is government so behind

1940
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:43,440
and so

1941
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:46,880
i saw it as the government is there as

1942
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:49,280
i've said before it's like there for the

1943
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:53,520
i guess um for the smallest

1944
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:55,280
group of people that are still in this

1945
01:13:59,669 --> 01:13:56,560
extreme fear that

1946
01:14:02,870 --> 01:13:59,679
need that kind of level of protection

1947
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,880
to where somebody would kick in for them

1948
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:04,560
to protect them from these things when

1949
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:05,920
they're not willing to look at them

1950
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:06,719
themselves

1951
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:08,880
which is the people that we know as that

1952
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:10,320
just absolutely don't want to have

1953
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:11,840
anything to do with ufos

1954
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:14,080
they don't care to know and if you try

1955
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:15,280
to talk to them about they just roll

1956
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:17,120
their eyes and go about their way

1957
01:14:20,709 --> 01:14:18,880
you know and so because i was trying to

1958
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:20,719
understand okay fine there's all these

1959
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:21,360
spiritual

1960
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:22,640
teachings to everything that i've

1961
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:24,239
experienced so what's up with government

1962
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:25,920
what's so spiritual about government you

1963
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:26,640
know

1964
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:30,000
and it just basically is is this um

1965
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:33,520
uh this created collective

1966
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:35,440
that we call government that's just

1967
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:36,560
there to

1968
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:39,840
to uh cater to the strongest fear

1969
01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:42,719
to the to the biggest unknown to say

1970
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:44,159
don't worry you don't have to do

1971
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:46,320
anything about this i will protect you

1972
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:48,960
you know uh um i will be strong for you

1973
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:50,480
because you cannot be strong for

1974
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:51,280
yourself

1975
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:54,560
you know and naturally with that

1976
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:57,199
understanding then it attracts all kinds

1977
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:57,840
of people

1978
01:15:02,229 --> 01:14:59,920
as you've mentioned you know to where

1979
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:02,239
they you know it translates in this

1980
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:02,960
weird way

1981
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:05,360
starts out with this beautiful spiritual

1982
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:07,840
concept but then it attracts these very

1983
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:10,239
morally bankrupt people to where they

1984
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:12,080
don't see the bigger picture they just

1985
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:12,800
know that

1986
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:15,679
for the greater good we must do this one

1987
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:16,800
horrible thing

1988
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:20,560
you know for this you know uh go ahead

1989
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:23,920
yeah no exactly and um i i tell you if

1990
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,400
they're

1991
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:26,320
when the consciousness part of it and

1992
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:27,840
i'll i'll describe part of

1993
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:32,239
the the uh second set of mill labs that

1994
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:35,360
where they were they were warning me

1995
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:37,679
first of all that they were trying to

1996
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:39,760
tell me telepathically as i'm freaking

1997
01:15:42,149 --> 01:15:40,400
out

1998
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:42,159
so drugged up they're taking me to this

1999
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:44,000
building and there's all these people

2000
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:45,360
with uniforms and stuff and all these

2001
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,640
men and i'm scared

2002
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:48,080
and i keep pinching myself because i

2003
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:50,159
think i'm dreaming and they start to say

2004
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:50,640
to me

2005
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:54,960
don't believe them they lie to people

2006
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:57,040
they hurt people so they're trying not

2007
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:59,120
to be alarmist but they're trying to

2008
01:16:01,910 --> 01:16:00,000
tell me

2009
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,920
like in so many words you're not

2010
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:03,840
dreaming this is happening

2011
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:05,520
this is what they're like trying to

2012
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:06,880
understand it

2013
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:08,880
and so they kept repeating that and it

2014
01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:10,000
was actually

2015
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:12,159
helping to almost counteract the effects

2016
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:13,360
of the drug and

2017
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:15,360
and giving me like a little bit more of

2018
01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:16,960
an adrenaline surge

2019
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:19,600
at another time they told me that i my

2020
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:20,000
life was

2021
01:16:24,149 --> 01:16:22,480
in mortal danger so at some point

2022
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:24,159
they're contemplating that the desert's

2023
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:25,120
a big place and

2024
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:27,440
nobody's going to find me kind of thing

2025
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:29,280
and they showed me exactly what they

2026
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:31,120
were contemplating as i sat in the chair

2027
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:34,560
looking at this lower ranking

2028
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:36,000
he had a couple of bars but he was a

2029
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:37,679
lower ranking commander

2030
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:39,760
to the blue uniforms that had all kinds

2031
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:41,280
of stars and bars on them that was

2032
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:42,159
listening

2033
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:43,679
to try and see if they could get some

2034
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:45,520
technology earlier

2035
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:49,440
and so many levels of of power

2036
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:53,040
it's not just some person in

2037
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:56,640
or some low ranking uh military person

2038
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:58,320
the you know high ranking officials were

2039
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:59,760
there

2040
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:01,360
this lower ranking person was

2041
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:03,440
contemplating my fate

2042
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:06,960
they told me telepathically from above

2043
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:08,560
that the

2044
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:10,800
that my life was in mortal danger i

2045
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:12,159
needed to find a way out of there and i

2046
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:13,280
actually thought

2047
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:15,199
i hadn't seen anybody in all these hours

2048
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:16,400
with any guns

2049
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:18,159
there's two doors between me and the

2050
01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:19,440
dirt parking lot

2051
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:21,360
i bet i could run up to the highway fast

2052
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:23,040
enough and flag somebody down before

2053
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:24,640
they could grab me

2054
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:28,159
i honestly thought that i could do it

2055
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:30,560
and then suddenly i got this wave coming

2056
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:31,600
over me because they've

2057
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:34,159
stuck needles in me they have uh they at

2058
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:36,400
one point had to give me a shot

2059
01:17:40,310 --> 01:17:38,719
to counteract that it was slowing my

2060
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:40,320
heart to a stop and i couldn't use my

2061
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:41,120
limbs

2062
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:43,440
that's how much they had yeah and i

2063
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:44,960
don't think that they realize because

2064
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:46,560
they're trying to continue to ask me

2065
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:48,239
questions

2066
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:50,159
under a certain state of you know

2067
01:17:53,590 --> 01:17:51,280
intoxicated

2068
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:53,600
inebriation there and i'm just a young

2069
01:17:57,350 --> 01:17:55,440
child and

2070
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:57,360
you know my body's small and and i'm not

2071
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:58,560
gonna i'm not a

2072
01:18:02,470 --> 01:18:00,080
frail looking child i'm pretty you know

2073
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:02,480
healthy but i you know i

2074
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:04,400
i wasn't handling it and then they had

2075
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:05,920
they called a medic and they gave me a

2076
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:06,800
shot and

2077
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,239
so i'm already so doped up that um i'm

2078
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:12,960
i get this wave coming over me and i'm

2079
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:14,480
sitting in a chair in front of this in a

2080
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,679
small office in front of this other

2081
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:17,280
lower ranking commander and he's looking

2082
01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:18,239
at the file

2083
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:22,000
everything that they possibly know about

2084
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:23,679
me and my family including any prior

2085
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:24,719
experiences

2086
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:28,880
that they had evidence of and

2087
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:30,159
when they told me that my life was

2088
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:32,239
immortal danger they showed me

2089
01:18:35,110 --> 01:18:33,840
and even though i could feel the arms of

2090
01:18:36,790 --> 01:18:35,120
the chair and knew that i was still

2091
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:36,800
sitting in the chair it was as if i was

2092
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:39,600
transported outside into a fetal

2093
01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:40,000
position

2094
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:42,640
with my cheek pressing against the dirt

2095
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:44,480
and or the hard rock the

2096
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:46,719
caliche with the little pieces of rock

2097
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:48,159
stuck in the bedrock

2098
01:18:51,669 --> 01:18:50,640
and with my cheek on the ground looking

2099
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:51,679
off to one side

2100
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:54,640
all i could see was desert and sky but i

2101
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:56,800
could feel cold steel a bit behind my

2102
01:19:00,149 --> 01:18:57,679
neck

2103
01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:00,159
at this point i started looking at this

2104
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:02,480
man because they're trying to tell me

2105
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:04,960
through imagery some and they speak that

2106
01:19:08,310 --> 01:19:06,800
way many times they don't just use words

2107
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:08,320
they'll speak their imagery

2108
01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:09,520
and they're trying to tell me through

2109
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:11,199
imagery that my my that's immortal

2110
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:12,239
dangerous i start

2111
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:13,920
uh saying to this guy you know are you

2112
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:15,520
going to hurt me what are you going to

2113
01:19:17,910 --> 01:19:16,159
do to me

2114
01:19:19,510 --> 01:19:17,920
please don't hurt me i'm begging you but

2115
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:19,520
i'm begging for my life and he looks up

2116
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:20,640
from the paperwork

2117
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:22,800
or from the files and looks at me almost

2118
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:23,760
like

2119
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:26,400
how did you know what i was thinking you

2120
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,600
know and then he kind of shakes it away

2121
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:29,760
and looks back at the material again

2122
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:33,360
at that point the one who had actually

2123
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:37,199
been the pilot that was there at the

2124
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:39,600
time that i was in the craft

2125
01:19:43,510 --> 01:19:41,600
the intervening pilot we'll just call

2126
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:43,520
him for now

2127
01:19:51,590 --> 01:19:49,990
he he he makes an appearance but you

2128
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:51,600
can't see him solid

2129
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:54,159
and he appeared behind the right

2130
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:55,520
shoulder of this commander sitting at

2131
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:57,120
this desk

2132
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:59,280
and i can see it's him and somehow

2133
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:00,800
innately inside of me

2134
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:03,440
from another time and place i knew that

2135
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:05,040
he was going to try to get into his head

2136
01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:07,199
and convince him of something

2137
01:20:11,110 --> 01:20:10,080
so i started praying to myself please

2138
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:11,120
make this work i

2139
01:20:14,629 --> 01:20:13,120
kept saying i'm praying to god on one

2140
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:14,639
hand going you know please god make this

2141
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:16,320
work please god make this work

2142
01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:19,280
and as he stands over him behind him he

2143
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:20,480
makes it sound as if

2144
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:23,760
it's a premonition that's going to come

2145
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:25,600
washing over him later on

2146
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:28,400
and probably bite him in the butt so he

2147
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:29,760
better listen kind of thing

2148
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:32,560
it it had that feel to it and he says

2149
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:34,320
you know

2150
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:35,920
her father is a hard-working naval

2151
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:37,520
intelligence officer and there's this

2152
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:39,600
pregnant pause

2153
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:42,800
he's not going to let this die pregnant

2154
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:44,560
pause

2155
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:47,040
there's going to be questions so he

2156
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:48,800
makes it seem to this this commanding

2157
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:49,440
officer

2158
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:52,960
in his head and i'm watching him doing

2159
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:54,480
doing it and while he's transparent i

2160
01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:56,480
can see that it's him but he's kind of

2161
01:21:01,750 --> 01:21:00,080
transparent and he's saying this in

2162
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:01,760
hopes that it's going to work

2163
01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:03,760
then he disappears and i'm praying it's

2164
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:05,679
going to work and eventually he makes

2165
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:07,840
some signal to the door which had no

2166
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:09,199
window and i couldn't figure that one

2167
01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:09,760
out

2168
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:11,440
and the guy comes from inside the

2169
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:13,280
hallway comes into the office

2170
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:15,280
and said what's it going to be sir a

2171
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:16,560
blankety blank or

2172
01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:19,120
looks at me like he's ready to take me

2173
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:19,600
out and

2174
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:21,920
had no conscience over it and i knew

2175
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:23,040
that's what he was

2176
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:25,280
implying but i can't remember to this

2177
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:26,800
day the couple of words that they used

2178
01:21:30,629 --> 01:21:27,600
it was something

2179
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:30,639
coded and

2180
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:33,760
the commanding officer looked at him

2181
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:35,440
and then looked at me and discussed and

2182
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:38,400
he shuts the file and he says apparently

2183
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:39,920
her father is a hard-working naval

2184
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:42,400
intelligence officer there would be

2185
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:43,520
questions

2186
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:45,360
and then he waves his hand kind of in

2187
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:47,120
the air kind of imperiously when you

2188
01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:49,120
would like to dismiss somebody

2189
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:51,520
so he just kind of you know dismisses

2190
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:53,440
the whole situation with his hand

2191
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:54,719
another guy comes in the office and

2192
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:56,000
grabbed me by the arms and dragged me

2193
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:57,440
out to the same car that they brought me

2194
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:58,080
in

2195
01:22:01,750 --> 01:21:59,760
and they took me back to my elementary

2196
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:01,760
school it's now almost dusk

2197
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,629
when my when i did finally i i couldn't

2198
01:22:12,149 --> 01:22:10,880
move my limbs and you know it was one of

2199
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:12,159
these things where it was it was really

2200
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:14,880
a terrible and traumatic experience

2201
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:17,600
the point of all of this is that the

2202
01:22:22,830 --> 01:22:18,880
government's never going to

2203
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:22,840
admit to these kind of things and

2204
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:26,080
while while they don't it doesn't really

2205
01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:26,880
matter

2206
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:29,440
and i i you know i i myself and i can't

2207
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:30,080
speak for

2208
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:31,920
the other contactees that went through

2209
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:33,280
similar things

2210
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,719
um but i do know that

2211
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:40,560
you know the time of impunity is long

2212
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:42,400
gone it's time to

2213
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:46,159
release this information and to uh

2214
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:47,760
to offer the you know the people the

2215
01:22:52,149 --> 01:22:49,440
truth but

2216
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:52,159
these kind of some of the practices at

2217
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:54,880
some of these bases and dumbs

2218
01:23:02,950 --> 01:22:59,040
is beyond the culture of of

2219
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:02,960
impunity and uh

2220
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:04,880
some of the it's just heinous some very

2221
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:06,000
heinous stuff

2222
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:08,239
that is not something for medical

2223
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:11,120
research it's not something for these

2224
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:14,159
it it has no beneficial it has no

2225
01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:15,679
benefit to humanity

2226
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:17,199
but they're trying to do these things

2227
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:18,880
continuously and feed

2228
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:21,679
money into these programs whether it's

2229
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:24,000
technology or whether it's some other

2230
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:26,800
thing going on because they've just had

2231
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:28,800
it going for so long but it's a culture

2232
01:23:34,149 --> 01:23:30,960
of impunity

2233
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:34,159
in a lot of these bases and

2234
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:36,960
it's just a high time that they uh be

2235
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:38,400
open about it because i really

2236
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:40,320
you know they keep saying how over the

2237
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:41,600
years

2238
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:43,199
how it's going to ruin religion it's

2239
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:44,880
going to ruin the economy well what does

2240
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:45,520
that tell

2241
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:50,400
if it's going to ruin the economy then

2242
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:51,840
the economy is a

2243
01:23:58,229 --> 01:23:55,120
false false paradigm in the first place

2244
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:58,239
and a form of enslavement

2245
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:01,120
why is it going to ruin religion not

2246
01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:02,560
only that they're going to have to

2247
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:04,480
admit to what had happened for example

2248
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:05,920
to you too

2249
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:08,159
you know the same way that once the once

2250
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:10,239
uh east uh germany fell

2251
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:11,840
they had to release all the files and

2252
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:13,679
what the stasi had and all the people

2253
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:14,480
that they were

2254
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:17,520
and and

2255
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:20,320
just having a fire on it's funny you

2256
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:22,639
break that up because my family is a

2257
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:26,080
german russian and yugoslavian and

2258
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:28,560
uh older family members had gone through

2259
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:29,440
a lot of stuff

2260
01:24:32,629 --> 01:24:30,960
you know it looks like we have all three

2261
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:32,639
in common

2262
01:24:38,790 --> 01:24:35,920
there but

2263
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:38,800
but you know in in and i i totally agree

2264
01:24:44,229 --> 01:24:40,400
that they may have to

2265
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:44,239
to admit to how really harsh they were

2266
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:46,000
about it but at this point

2267
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:47,840
it's not going to change in any of my

2268
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:49,760
experience

2269
01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:52,000
i can understand their animosity to a

2270
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:52,880
point but i

2271
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:55,360
truly believe i truly honestly believe

2272
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:57,760
that there is no justification

2273
01:25:03,110 --> 01:24:59,679
regarding anything that they would claim

2274
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:03,120
as a national national security issue

2275
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:05,920
to violate all human rights treaties and

2276
01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:06,880
even breach

2277
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:10,239
geneva convention in trying to get

2278
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:12,000
whatever it is that they want or trying

2279
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:15,600
to instill in uh or trying to get people

2280
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:17,280
silenced like through it through

2281
01:25:21,910 --> 01:25:19,600
intimidation instilling intimidation

2282
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:21,920
right brandon uh let me uh just real

2283
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:23,360
quick i wanted to

2284
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:26,320
um looks like fabricio what also wanted

2285
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:27,280
to to talk

2286
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:30,639
but you know um after he's done if we

2287
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:31,920
you know have more time i'd like to

2288
01:25:36,070 --> 01:25:34,000
bring you back uh but

2289
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:36,080
before i switch over to him i wanted to

2290
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:37,760
ask you something about nasa real quick

2291
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:39,360
if that's okay

2292
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:41,520
okay you were saying something about you

2293
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:43,679
kept mentioning nasa do you saying

2294
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:46,159
that the actual nasa itself or a faction

2295
01:25:50,629 --> 01:25:48,080
of nasa

2296
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:50,639
that basically was more involved in what

2297
01:25:54,709 --> 01:25:51,199
what

2298
01:25:58,709 --> 01:25:54,719
you had going on with you no it was

2299
01:26:00,470 --> 01:25:58,719
it it involved what the incident itself

2300
01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:00,480
which was very high profile

2301
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:03,520
involved you know mission control

2302
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:10,709
whoever whatever part of

2303
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:14,800
this nasa administration uh

2304
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:18,719
helped the army to help hunt me down and

2305
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:20,080
find me and bring me and

2306
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:21,360
you know pull me out of my school and

2307
01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:23,440
and bring me in for questioning

2308
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:26,080
i believe was a joint thing uh right

2309
01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:26,800
what

2310
01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:30,719
idea but there it was a

2311
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:33,600
uh it was i don't know that that was it

2312
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:35,040
would have been a faction it would have

2313
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:36,480
been a

2314
01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:37,920
high up administration that would have

2315
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:40,960
been aware of that particular situation

2316
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:43,840
they just it just just so happened that

2317
01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:44,880
they took me

2318
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:48,159
along for this it ended up being a huge

2319
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:49,040
event

2320
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:51,360
and then uh nasa they had a lot of

2321
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:52,080
questions but

2322
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:54,239
nasa was not present during the mill lab

2323
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:55,440
only

2324
01:27:03,350 --> 01:26:59,120
second one

2325
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:03,360
it involved bringing in malevolent e.t

2326
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:05,760
to pull us out of the house float us out

2327
01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:07,120
of the house and do a ship

2328
01:27:11,110 --> 01:27:09,199
take us back to the same room that they

2329
01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:11,120
had a conference room that they were

2330
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:11,920
questioning me

2331
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:15,040
at uh out just outside of palmdale in

2332
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:18,719
this white two-story windowless building

2333
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:21,280
and uh had my mom there and then

2334
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:22,080
assaulted us

2335
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:25,679
and her and just all this stuff

2336
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:28,000
so the second one was e.t assisted but

2337
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:28,880
nasa

2338
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:32,639
was nowhere and i really didn't uh

2339
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:36,000
realize let's put it this way

2340
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:38,880
my mother uh my mother passed away uh in

2341
01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:39,360
may

2342
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:47,830
and she was she went to retire

2343
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:50,000
semi-retire out in florida

2344
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:52,800
but she's right next to space coast and

2345
01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:53,280
for

2346
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:54,880
the better part of four years i couldn't

2347
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:58,000
find work out there except as a temp

2348
01:28:02,310 --> 01:28:00,400
and then when i i was supposed to be

2349
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:02,320
hired as a full-time employee

2350
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:04,400
and way below my pay scale and my

2351
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:06,800
background as a medical biller

2352
01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:10,480
uh for years i uh i found it difficult

2353
01:28:13,430 --> 01:28:11,520
that i couldn't find

2354
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:13,440
work anywhere out there which was really

2355
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:15,760
odd and then

2356
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:17,600
with this position that i was taking of

2357
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:19,600
you know quite a bit of a cut

2358
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:21,679
with but was willing to take at that

2359
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:23,360
point

2360
01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:24,639
when they found out that i was a

2361
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:28,000
contactee who i was

2362
01:28:31,350 --> 01:28:29,760
they turned around and said to me in the

2363
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,360
uncertain terms

2364
01:28:36,229 --> 01:28:33,360
the management of this uh particular

2365
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:36,239
fiat dealer we have to cater to the

2366
01:28:40,310 --> 01:28:39,280
space coast community and uh this will

2367
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:40,320
not do

2368
01:28:45,590 --> 01:28:43,440
meaning me me being a contactee

2369
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:45,600
and uh and i think it it goes deeper

2370
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:47,040
than that and i think that there's this

2371
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:48,560
culture of hate

2372
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:52,480
with nasa over um

2373
01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:54,480
over the difference between their

2374
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:55,520
official narrative

2375
01:29:02,149 --> 01:28:58,880
in certain events and the real

2376
01:29:03,189 --> 01:29:02,159
story or real narrative right well brian

2377
01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:03,199
thank you very much

2378
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:05,840
for for sharing your story and if you

2379
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:06,719
you know ever

2380
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:11,360
put it together in a concise and and

2381
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:14,560
orderly way in the book form i just so

2382
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:15,360
happened to know

2383
01:29:22,629 --> 01:29:19,040
a company that i could recommend you

2384
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:22,639
okay adnan if there's a way to maybe to

2385
01:29:25,990 --> 01:29:24,800
connect with you we can exchange emails

2386
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:26,000
and i would be very interested in that

2387
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:28,080
and i really thank you for your time

2388
01:29:33,390 --> 01:29:30,800
no and of course i mean any time um if

2389
01:29:36,950 --> 01:29:33,400
you go on ufo hub

2390
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:36,960
ufohub.net i have a contact form there

2391
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:37,600
and just

2392
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:39,760
simply fill that out just write in your

2393
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:47,189
okay okay okay thank you so

2394
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:48,960
much adnan very much thank you i

2395
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:50,239
appreciate it thanks very much for

2396
01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:56,950
okay so let's see if i can finally hear

2397
01:30:02,310 --> 01:29:58,159
the the

2398
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:02,320
the bright pronunciation um

2399
01:30:06,149 --> 01:30:04,320
fabrizio you're you're on if you can

2400
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:06,159
hear me just mute yourself and you're

2401
01:30:15,510 --> 01:30:07,199
ready you'll be

2402
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:21,110
fabrics are you there

2403
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:23,040
i don't know if he maybe stepped back

2404
01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:25,440
but anyway i'll leave that open for now

2405
01:30:29,110 --> 01:30:27,520
yeah that was it's a it's a very

2406
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:29,120
riveting hi are you

2407
01:30:35,189 --> 01:30:32,239
hear me oh yes i hear you now

2408
01:30:36,870 --> 01:30:35,199
wow sorry my microphone is not really

2409
01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:36,880
working out too good

2410
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:39,360
that's all right so please tell me your

2411
01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:41,360
name

2412
01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:48,149
right so you are not very far from it at

2413
01:30:53,430 --> 01:30:50,880
all okay good i'm sorry i i hate to

2414
01:30:54,790 --> 01:30:53,440
butcher people's names and i always felt

2415
01:30:58,629 --> 01:30:54,800
bad so it's just

2416
01:31:01,430 --> 01:30:58,639
let me take one more test fabrice

2417
01:31:03,669 --> 01:31:01,440
fabricia i've i have heard very much

2418
01:31:05,830 --> 01:31:03,679
words on that before so

2419
01:31:06,709 --> 01:31:05,840
he's doing quite fine right right all

2420
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:06,719
right so

2421
01:31:11,110 --> 01:31:09,840
what's on your mind well i just wanted

2422
01:31:13,110 --> 01:31:11,120
to communicate with you

2423
01:31:16,310 --> 01:31:13,120
uh it's more about saying a big big

2424
01:31:18,229 --> 01:31:16,320
thank you about what you are doing

2425
01:31:20,229 --> 01:31:18,239
i think it's quite wonderful you know to

2426
01:31:24,790 --> 01:31:20,239
have uh to have the opportunity

2427
01:31:27,030 --> 01:31:24,800
uh uh to to actually communicate

2428
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:27,040
uh it looks like you're doing a

2429
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:28,080
wonderful work

2430
01:31:31,270 --> 01:31:30,400
it must be hard work as well to put all

2431
01:31:34,470 --> 01:31:31,280
this together

2432
01:31:36,149 --> 01:31:34,480
so so thumbs up and uh this

2433
01:31:37,830 --> 01:31:36,159
communication really just

2434
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:37,840
saying thank you you know it's it's

2435
01:31:43,189 --> 01:31:39,360
really good to to hear

2436
01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:43,199
different stories about people

2437
01:31:48,950 --> 01:31:46,719
the way you mediate among all these you

2438
01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:48,960
know with calm patients

2439
01:31:52,390 --> 01:31:51,280
understanding and open-mindedness i mean

2440
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:52,400
you know it's uh

2441
01:31:55,750 --> 01:31:54,880
it's uh it's a breath of fresh fresh air

2442
01:31:57,510 --> 01:31:55,760
really

2443
01:31:59,350 --> 01:31:57,520
well thank you i appreciate it i mean

2444
01:32:00,310 --> 01:31:59,360
it's it's uh something i'm passionate

2445
01:32:02,709 --> 01:32:00,320
about but

2446
01:32:04,229 --> 01:32:02,719
yeah i wish um you know if this darn

2447
01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:04,239
thing like family wouldn't get in the

2448
01:32:09,350 --> 01:32:05,920
way i'll be doing a lot more stuff with

2449
01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:09,360
ufo hub i'm just kidding

2450
01:32:14,310 --> 01:32:12,480
what you mean i know what you and uh the

2451
01:32:15,189 --> 01:32:14,320
good thing as well about about your ab

2452
01:32:17,590 --> 01:32:15,199
you know

2453
01:32:19,510 --> 01:32:17,600
luckily we have uh we have technology

2454
01:32:20,310 --> 01:32:19,520
now which is which is really awesome by

2455
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:20,320
that

2456
01:32:23,950 --> 01:32:22,800
uh back in the 80s or 90s you know when

2457
01:32:26,790 --> 01:32:23,960
you had

2458
01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:26,800
experiences about a bit strange let's

2459
01:32:29,350 --> 01:32:28,080
say you see and you wanted to

2460
01:32:31,270 --> 01:32:29,360
communicate

2461
01:32:33,270 --> 01:32:31,280
uh to find out basically what what's

2462
01:32:35,510 --> 01:32:33,280
going on what's what's what's happening

2463
01:32:37,590 --> 01:32:35,520
you know this is quite strange all this

2464
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:37,600
well the the only people that you have

2465
01:32:40,229 --> 01:32:39,600
to talk about this was was people around

2466
01:32:42,870 --> 01:32:40,239
you you know

2467
01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:42,880
your close friend and and so forth and

2468
01:32:46,790 --> 01:32:44,400
and to find someone

2469
01:32:47,590 --> 01:32:46,800
that that had more or less the same

2470
01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:47,600
experience

2471
01:32:51,990 --> 01:32:50,400
nowadays your your chances here are next

2472
01:32:54,709 --> 01:32:52,000
to nothing you see

2473
01:32:55,750 --> 01:32:54,719
and with uh we've had like like at your

2474
01:32:58,629 --> 01:32:55,760
hub you know it's

2475
01:32:59,189 --> 01:32:58,639
it's it's it's really awesome you can

2476
01:33:02,310 --> 01:32:59,199
actually

2477
01:33:04,629 --> 01:33:02,320
uh listen a lot and and

2478
01:33:05,669 --> 01:33:04,639
and and see actually what's what's been

2479
01:33:07,830 --> 01:33:05,679
happening for

2480
01:33:09,270 --> 01:33:07,840
to you for for years and years on years

2481
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:09,280
it's just not that you are crazy

2482
01:33:12,229 --> 01:33:10,480
basically and

2483
01:33:13,669 --> 01:33:12,239
and there are other people that can

2484
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:13,679
relate to that and you can

2485
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:16,080
you can relate to other stories as well

2486
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:17,040
right so

2487
01:33:21,030 --> 01:33:19,199
but i also like to think that it doesn't

2488
01:33:21,990 --> 01:33:21,040
have that doesn't have that controlled

2489
01:33:23,669 --> 01:33:22,000
aspect because usually

2490
01:33:25,510 --> 01:33:23,679
media would always want the most

2491
01:33:27,750 --> 01:33:25,520
sensationalized stories

2492
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:27,760
you know and i'm so glad that there's a

2493
01:33:31,830 --> 01:33:29,600
you know this opportunity to just

2494
01:33:33,590 --> 01:33:31,840
even to tell the most mundane

2495
01:33:36,229 --> 01:33:33,600
experiences you know like

2496
01:33:36,629 --> 01:33:36,239
that involve something spiritual or ufos

2497
01:33:38,629 --> 01:33:36,639
because

2498
01:33:40,390 --> 01:33:38,639
tv was always there just to sell the

2499
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:40,400
story and get the most views

2500
01:33:43,510 --> 01:33:42,080
instead of really kind of getting down

2501
01:33:48,709 --> 01:33:43,520
to the bottom of it and

2502
01:33:52,870 --> 01:33:51,110
yeah for sure you know unfortunately we

2503
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:52,880
we are washed with uh

2504
01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:56,320
uh some sensation and in all these

2505
01:34:00,550 --> 01:33:57,840
things really um

2506
01:34:01,669 --> 01:34:00,560
um it seems to me that the experience is

2507
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:01,679
uh

2508
01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:05,520
people that are just killing people

2509
01:34:10,229 --> 01:34:07,520
normal people and

2510
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:10,239
and there's no no need to spin the story

2511
01:34:16,709 --> 01:34:11,840
into some some unknown

2512
01:34:23,030 --> 01:34:19,189
well so um please tell me how did you

2513
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:25,110
whether it's whether it's ufo related

2514
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:26,880
spirituality related i mean

2515
01:34:31,110 --> 01:34:28,639
whatever it is there's something that

2516
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:31,120
got you going

2517
01:34:34,629 --> 01:34:33,440
well it's uh yeah it's it's ufo stuff

2518
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:34,639
for sure you know it uh

2519
01:34:38,550 --> 01:34:36,719
it happened to me uh to start with when

2520
01:34:39,750 --> 01:34:38,560
i was really really young you know it's

2521
01:34:43,510 --> 01:34:39,760
been around for about

2522
01:34:45,750 --> 01:34:43,520
50 years on and off uh

2523
01:34:48,629 --> 01:34:45,760
that's it you know i'm just a normal guy

2524
01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:48,639
trying to get on with life you know and

2525
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:52,000
this these things keep on occurring and

2526
01:34:55,830 --> 01:34:55,440
and uh that's it you know so for about

2527
01:34:57,750 --> 01:34:55,840
uh

2528
01:34:59,990 --> 01:34:57,760
yeah 50 years i've been looking around

2529
01:35:03,189 --> 01:35:00,000
and trying to talk to people not

2530
01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:03,199
so much you know in a

2531
01:35:08,870 --> 01:35:07,360
life sentence you know a few times i've

2532
01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:08,880
been trying to sort of be

2533
01:35:12,629 --> 01:35:10,560
very open about it obviously you know

2534
01:35:13,189 --> 01:35:12,639
you've been looking back as you're crazy

2535
01:35:18,310 --> 01:35:13,199
or

2536
01:35:21,109 --> 01:35:18,320
gonna take your medicine

2537
01:35:22,629 --> 01:35:21,119
and uh it's a bit of a shock i can i can

2538
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:22,639
understand people you know we

2539
01:35:28,470 --> 01:35:26,400
react to that if i didn't have

2540
01:35:30,229 --> 01:35:28,480
my experience is you know someone would

2541
01:35:31,350 --> 01:35:30,239
come to me and say well listen you know

2542
01:35:34,550 --> 01:35:31,360
i've been taking those

2543
01:35:37,109 --> 01:35:34,560
ships and uh this sort of thing and

2544
01:35:38,550 --> 01:35:37,119
and you know you'd be going what okay

2545
01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:38,560
you know

2546
01:35:41,990 --> 01:35:39,760
maybe you're not drinking the right

2547
01:35:44,709 --> 01:35:42,000
stuff you know bribe right well you know

2548
01:35:46,709 --> 01:35:44,719
i know from previous chats you mentioned

2549
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:46,719
you were in france so not only

2550
01:35:51,910 --> 01:35:48,719
are you from there yeah it's probably

2551
01:35:54,149 --> 01:35:51,920
like way early right now is it

2552
01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:54,159
yeah it's about 3 30 in the morning wow

2553
01:35:57,750 --> 01:35:55,679
well thank you very much for still

2554
01:36:00,390 --> 01:35:57,760
for still staying up i mean do you mind

2555
01:36:03,669 --> 01:36:00,400
sharing a little bit uh just from your

2556
01:36:05,590 --> 01:36:03,679
immediate vicinity what what uh i guess

2557
01:36:08,149 --> 01:36:05,600
the french people how they kind of look

2558
01:36:10,310 --> 01:36:08,159
at the subject

2559
01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:10,320
well i've been spending most of my my

2560
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:12,400
time on the series actually uh

2561
01:36:19,590 --> 01:36:16,560
i've been back home about six years ago

2562
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:19,600
while it seems uh but the

2563
01:36:23,109 --> 01:36:21,760
general outlook about francis we are

2564
01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:23,119
very open about

2565
01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:26,320
ufos there is disclosure and and all

2566
01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:28,400
this sort of thing but

2567
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:30,080
i don't know if they open the file you

2568
01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:32,880
know they forgot to read them properly

2569
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:33,360
and

2570
01:36:40,709 --> 01:36:38,709
once in a while we can we can hear

2571
01:36:44,149 --> 01:36:40,719
stories you know but usually it's

2572
01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:44,159
not taking with really cool and uh

2573
01:36:48,390 --> 01:36:46,000
they're not all that open-minded about

2574
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:48,400
it as as what we are left

2575
01:36:52,709 --> 01:36:51,440
you know left to believe which is a bit

2576
01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:52,719
of a shame really

2577
01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:55,840
right that's the way it goes well i mean

2578
01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:56,960
do you think it's uh

2579
01:37:00,149 --> 01:36:58,560
um because i think last time i was

2580
01:37:02,950 --> 01:37:00,159
mentioning something um

2581
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:02,960
um that it was it i would think it's

2582
01:37:06,070 --> 01:37:04,080
more cultural

2583
01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:06,080
you know because it all depends on where

2584
01:37:10,149 --> 01:37:07,520
you are and

2585
01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:10,159
what's more culturally acceptable that's

2586
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:12,000
that's how you can kind of gauge

2587
01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:13,920
that barometer or how far you can push

2588
01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:19,350
yeah well you know back home you know we

2589
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:21,119
are very open-minded to uh

2590
01:37:24,550 --> 01:37:23,520
to to lots of things that's for sure but

2591
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:24,560
we don't really

2592
01:37:28,229 --> 01:37:27,600
believe anything really you know which

2593
01:37:30,550 --> 01:37:28,239
is

2594
01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:30,560
quite funny so yeah they talk about

2595
01:37:36,149 --> 01:37:32,000
everything really but

2596
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:39,430
you know as far as ua for concern

2597
01:37:42,790 --> 01:37:41,280
well you know people talk about it but

2598
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:42,800
it's still still something you know

2599
01:37:46,149 --> 01:37:45,040
which is science fiction or something

2600
01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:46,159
you know it's not quite

2601
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:49,840
with you right i mean the two free times

2602
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:51,360
you know

2603
01:37:57,109 --> 01:37:54,960
conversation but

2604
01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:57,119
you know and so western uh that oh my

2605
01:38:00,709 --> 01:37:58,400
god you know what

2606
01:38:01,990 --> 01:38:00,719
what have i just done again you know i

2607
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:02,000
should get my mouth shut

2608
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:03,679
man let's see it's a bit of a shine you

2609
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:05,679
know right

2610
01:38:09,910 --> 01:38:07,760
well you know at the same time you're

2611
01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:09,920
not doing yourself a favor if you can't

2612
01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:11,840
be yourself i mean if you're around

2613
01:38:14,390 --> 01:38:13,360
friends that don't want to hear what you

2614
01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:14,400
have to say maybe

2615
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:16,639
you just need different friends if you

2616
01:38:21,109 --> 01:38:18,960
don't mind me saying yeah that's it

2617
01:38:22,470 --> 01:38:21,119
yeah yeah of course of course yeah well

2618
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:22,480
it's right you know

2619
01:38:25,990 --> 01:38:24,080
i mean speaking of family it's funny

2620
01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:26,000
because uh obviously

2621
01:38:30,070 --> 01:38:28,560
uh you know my parents they still very

2622
01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:30,080
much want to be part of my life

2623
01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:31,840
and all of that but they do not want to

2624
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:34,320
look into what it is that i do with ufo

2625
01:38:36,790 --> 01:38:34,800
hub

2626
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:36,800
and it's okay but it's funny because

2627
01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:38,320
occasionally they would want to

2628
01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:40,560
you know just kind of ask just a little

2629
01:38:42,709 --> 01:38:42,320
bit but not to do too much and they

2630
01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:42,719
always

2631
01:38:46,310 --> 01:38:44,480
just started out with well how's

2632
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:46,320
business you know i'm thinking

2633
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:48,400
you know it's not business i told you

2634
01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:50,159
this once before i started this because

2635
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:52,080
of all these experiences which you chose

2636
01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:54,320
to just overlook and never ask me about

2637
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:55,280
it again

2638
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:58,400
you know you know but it's their way of

2639
01:39:01,669 --> 01:38:59,040
trying to be

2640
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:01,679
friendly without really you know

2641
01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:03,600
stepping too far into it because i can

2642
01:39:07,669 --> 01:39:05,440
tell you know if they ask me and i

2643
01:39:09,030 --> 01:39:07,679
go into too much detail they can kind of

2644
01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:09,040
like uh

2645
01:39:13,510 --> 01:39:11,679
you know like why do we ask him you know

2646
01:39:15,109 --> 01:39:13,520
but it's okay you know it just cracks me

2647
01:39:16,709 --> 01:39:15,119
up i think it's funny you know and then

2648
01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:16,719
my wife and i would just kind of laugh

2649
01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:18,560
about it

2650
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:20,320
yeah you need a sense of remembrance for

2651
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:22,000
sure you know people are curious you

2652
01:39:23,510 --> 01:39:22,480
know but

2653
01:39:26,070 --> 01:39:23,520
somewhere along the line they don't want

2654
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:26,080
to get burnt with

2655
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:29,280
right right so um um

2656
01:39:32,470 --> 01:39:30,800
since you said you were in you know

2657
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:32,480
you've been into it you know into this

2658
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:32,880
for

2659
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:36,400
what's been happening

2660
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:38,000
france particularly or are you talking

2661
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:39,760
about the ufo field just

2662
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:42,639
worldwide no i left home when i was i

2663
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:44,880
was really young i was 16

2664
01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:47,360
and i've been back here about six years

2665
01:39:52,149 --> 01:39:48,239
ago not eight years

2666
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:52,159
ago now so most of my time i spend in uh

2667
01:39:57,750 --> 01:39:55,280
in england new zealand australia

2668
01:39:59,590 --> 01:39:57,760
and switzerland as well you know and uh

2669
01:40:01,750 --> 01:39:59,600
i have to seven in all those countries

2670
01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:01,760
not france included you know i've always

2671
01:40:04,790 --> 01:40:03,440
did something or some something has been

2672
01:40:07,910 --> 01:40:04,800
happening you know that

2673
01:40:09,430 --> 01:40:07,920
orbs are definitely being seen all over

2674
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:09,440
the world you know

2675
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:11,360
it's uh well i haven't been all over the

2676
01:40:14,070 --> 01:40:12,960
world but everywhere i've been you know

2677
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:14,080
it's been at least orbs

2678
01:40:17,270 --> 01:40:15,760
and other things you know to be witness

2679
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:17,280
to the sky you know beyond shadow

2680
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:18,000
without

2681
01:40:25,270 --> 01:40:21,520
right well i would say

2682
01:40:27,669 --> 01:40:25,280
have you had any experiences on your own

2683
01:40:28,709 --> 01:40:27,679
oh yes yes yes yes is there one

2684
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:28,719
particular one

2685
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:31,360
otherwise i will be looking into it for

2686
01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:32,239
for

2687
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:35,119
50 years uh well i would say that new

2688
01:40:39,189 --> 01:40:36,400
zealand

2689
01:40:39,910 --> 01:40:39,199
is probably uh the country the place you

2690
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:39,920
know which is

2691
01:40:46,070 --> 01:40:43,600
which is a hot spot for ufos

2692
01:40:48,229 --> 01:40:46,080
right and actually uh when when you talk

2693
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:48,239
to people down there you know it's it's

2694
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:51,920
all almost almost a matter of fact you

2695
01:40:55,590 --> 01:40:53,360
know that there are also there are

2696
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:55,600
things flying around you know they're

2697
01:40:59,189 --> 01:40:57,440
quite open about it they don't really

2698
01:41:01,270 --> 01:40:59,199
talk about it you know but

2699
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:01,280
it's not oh wow you know what do you

2700
01:41:05,669 --> 01:41:03,360
mean you don't listen that you know

2701
01:41:06,390 --> 01:41:05,679
it's just like yes it's kind of

2702
01:41:10,390 --> 01:41:06,400
up life

2703
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:10,400
right right right right well my personal

2704
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:11,440
experiences

2705
01:41:14,229 --> 01:41:12,719
started really young you know i was

2706
01:41:15,669 --> 01:41:14,239
about four or five years old you know

2707
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:15,679
when

2708
01:41:27,189 --> 01:41:20,239
in a

2709
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:27,199
well it was a

2710
01:41:31,189 --> 01:41:29,920
i would say a room like like a glass

2711
01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:31,199
room a

2712
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:35,440
bubble room kind of

2713
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:37,679
plexiglass looking you know with walls

2714
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:40,000
and floors and everything was

2715
01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:43,920
wrong with the same stem lines and

2716
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:45,040
everything

2717
01:41:48,870 --> 01:41:46,800
even the furnitures and themselves you

2718
01:41:50,790 --> 01:41:48,880
know they they were part of

2719
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:50,800
of the whole you know it's not like a

2720
01:41:54,470 --> 01:41:52,400
room where

2721
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:54,480
where you have let's say here's a table

2722
01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:56,880
or here's a chair or

2723
01:42:03,510 --> 01:42:00,480
something else you know

2724
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:03,520
table i was on basically i just had one

2725
01:42:07,030 --> 01:42:05,920
one one foot you know coming out of the

2726
01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:07,040
middle

2727
01:42:10,790 --> 01:42:09,360
and and the table itself you know was

2728
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:10,800
was part of

2729
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:13,119
what a little in front of the species

2730
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:15,360
you on spacecraft

2731
01:42:19,750 --> 01:42:18,159
and uh so but you know that was well

2732
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:19,760
that was a bit unusual to uh

2733
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:23,520
to say the least there was all other

2734
01:42:30,390 --> 01:42:27,040
pieces of furniture again yes you know

2735
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:30,400
true but i i didn't know what they were

2736
01:42:32,790 --> 01:42:31,679
you know i didn't make any sense

2737
01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:32,800
whatsoever

2738
01:42:37,030 --> 01:42:35,360
what they were for uh the only thing

2739
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:37,040
that makes sense to my mind

2740
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:39,119
you know was was there was a table here

2741
01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:41,040
and there was there was this wrong room

2742
01:42:45,669 --> 01:42:43,040
you know that looks like

2743
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:45,679
plastic i would say you know like like a

2744
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:46,960
like a smoky

2745
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:55,510
and uh and then there was actually

2746
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:02,310
not really stick quite well they were

2747
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:04,400
hooded

2748
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:07,920
actually wore like a soap of a robe

2749
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:09,520
you know with with a hood on the

2750
01:43:12,709 --> 01:43:11,679
shoulder down all the way to the feet

2751
01:43:15,830 --> 01:43:12,719
you couldn't see the feet

2752
01:43:17,910 --> 01:43:15,840
rather you could see their hands

2753
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:17,920
and uh yeah i remember being next to

2754
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:19,040
this uh

2755
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:26,149
that she helped me out from the table

2756
01:43:30,470 --> 01:43:29,360
uh the the room in itself you know it's

2757
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:30,480
quite a room you know

2758
01:43:34,310 --> 01:43:32,320
the the room itself was about i don't

2759
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:34,320
know about seven meters wide you know it

2760
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:35,840
was like oblong

2761
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:39,040
oblong shaped almost like an egg you

2762
01:43:42,070 --> 01:43:39,360
know

2763
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:42,080
it was it was more more than round and

2764
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:43,760
about

2765
01:43:49,590 --> 01:43:47,199
four meters to the ceilings

2766
01:43:50,470 --> 01:43:49,600
and there was also a second being there

2767
01:43:53,030 --> 01:43:50,480
but

2768
01:43:54,390 --> 01:43:53,040
quite a bit uh stronger and bigger i

2769
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:54,400
think that there'll be about like two

2770
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:57,199
meters two meters on enough

2771
01:44:01,510 --> 01:44:01,119
and uh that one i could not quite see

2772
01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:01,520
you know

2773
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:05,679
it had its back turned away

2774
01:44:09,930 --> 01:44:07,440
but i could see that he was sort of

2775
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:09,940
doing stuff you know with what the

2776
01:44:15,750 --> 01:44:12,480
[Music]

2777
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:15,760
boobs and and and objects you know

2778
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:17,360
strange shapes and

2779
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:21,040
and they seem to be like a sort of a

2780
01:44:25,189 --> 01:44:22,800
board like sort of floating in the air

2781
01:44:27,510 --> 01:44:25,199
you know with little lights no flashing

2782
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:27,520
back and forth etc

2783
01:44:33,510 --> 01:44:31,600
and uh and so yeah that was uh

2784
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:33,520
that was a bit strange you know i was

2785
01:44:35,830 --> 01:44:34,800
young you know four or five years old

2786
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:35,840
but it was

2787
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:37,679
you know i was like wow what am i doing

2788
01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:38,880
here you know

2789
01:44:44,629 --> 01:44:42,159
and uh and the

2790
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:44,639
the first thing kind of say oh don't

2791
01:44:50,950 --> 01:44:47,520
worry no don't be scared you know and

2792
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:50,960
and there was no voice huh

2793
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:54,239
there was no voice so could it telepathy

2794
01:44:58,950 --> 01:44:55,840
if you'd like

2795
01:45:01,270 --> 01:44:58,960
and uh you know and kind of say well

2796
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:01,280
i am not scared you know i was

2797
01:45:06,070 --> 01:45:03,760
bewildered and everything

2798
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:06,080
and i was trying to really look you know

2799
01:45:11,830 --> 01:45:08,320
i'd heard under the hood you know to see

2800
01:45:14,470 --> 01:45:11,840
who i was talking to you know and uh

2801
01:45:16,149 --> 01:45:14,480
and then that's when the the other one

2802
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:16,159
turned around you know and basically

2803
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:16,880
said that

2804
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:21,679
you you are not allowed to look at us

2805
01:45:28,310 --> 01:45:25,840
right and with a voice well a voice

2806
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:28,320
with very strong feeling of forbidding

2807
01:45:32,390 --> 01:45:29,040
of

2808
01:45:35,590 --> 01:45:32,400
that

2809
01:45:37,990 --> 01:45:35,600
right so i kind of

2810
01:45:39,750 --> 01:45:38,000
oh you you keep breaking up can you hear

2811
01:45:42,870 --> 01:45:39,760
me it will not stop because

2812
01:45:46,149 --> 01:45:42,880
you know that thing in my business

2813
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:46,159
yes oh you were uh i can't hear you

2814
01:45:50,390 --> 01:45:48,480
yeah you you're breaking breaking up on

2815
01:45:52,149 --> 01:45:50,400
and off occasionally and um

2816
01:45:53,669 --> 01:45:52,159
i don't know what i don't know if it's

2817
01:45:56,550 --> 01:45:53,679
trying to do it

2818
01:45:58,950 --> 01:45:56,560
okay i'm sure keep going yeah i hear you

2819
01:46:01,270 --> 01:45:58,960
now so keep going we'll see what happens

2820
01:46:03,030 --> 01:46:01,280
so we we which spot you didn't get you

2821
01:46:05,109 --> 01:46:03,040
know no no you said uh they said

2822
01:46:06,709 --> 01:46:05,119
you were not allowed to look at us and

2823
01:46:08,470 --> 01:46:06,719
then that's the last part i heard

2824
01:46:09,830 --> 01:46:08,480
yeah you're not going to look at us

2825
01:46:11,109 --> 01:46:09,840
absolutely you know

2826
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:11,119
the only thing that you could really see

2827
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:13,760
was what was their hands

2828
01:46:18,390 --> 01:46:15,920
right they look what humanoid you know

2829
01:46:20,709 --> 01:46:18,400
but with long fingers

2830
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:20,719
i i did not count them you know i didn't

2831
01:46:25,030 --> 01:46:22,560
come to my mind but

2832
01:46:26,070 --> 01:46:25,040
but when i was really trying to look

2833
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:26,080
under the hood you know

2834
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:28,320
i was quite small obviously on they were

2835
01:46:33,189 --> 01:46:29,679
really tall

2836
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:33,199
it was it was like no go don't do that

2837
01:46:36,790 --> 01:46:35,520
you're not allowed to look at us but

2838
01:46:38,709 --> 01:46:36,800
hold on i'm sorry

2839
01:46:40,229 --> 01:46:38,719
maybe i missed it in the beginning so

2840
01:46:43,270 --> 01:46:40,239
but weren't you taken

2841
01:46:45,990 --> 01:46:43,280
onto the ship yeah

2842
01:46:47,430 --> 01:46:46,000
this place so but then but then even

2843
01:46:50,070 --> 01:46:47,440
though you were taken there they told

2844
01:46:53,590 --> 01:46:50,080
you okay you can't look at us

2845
01:46:55,830 --> 01:46:53,600
you can't look at us no no

2846
01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:55,840
no okay i guess did they explain more

2847
01:47:01,750 --> 01:46:57,920
why why they had that

2848
01:47:05,669 --> 01:47:01,760
no just don't do that okay

2849
01:47:12,470 --> 01:47:08,709
and uh

2850
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:12,480
so the the smaller one

2851
01:47:15,910 --> 01:47:14,320
that was right next to me that helped me

2852
01:47:19,350 --> 01:47:15,920
out at the table and you know

2853
01:47:21,669 --> 01:47:19,360
seemed to be uh somehow empathic

2854
01:47:22,709 --> 01:47:21,679
you know when the other was what was not

2855
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:22,719
you know

2856
01:47:33,270 --> 01:47:29,920
was more of a

2857
01:47:35,669 --> 01:47:33,280
scientific kind of

2858
01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:35,679
approach you know to the whole thing

2859
01:47:39,430 --> 01:47:37,040
when the other one was

2860
01:47:40,629 --> 01:47:39,440
was was a bit more empathic was it was

2861
01:47:42,790 --> 01:47:40,639
more like

2862
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:42,800
how did i say like like a bit more of a

2863
01:47:47,430 --> 01:47:43,840
caretaker

2864
01:47:49,510 --> 01:47:47,440
i see she seemed to care about

2865
01:47:51,350 --> 01:47:49,520
a bit more when when i think for the

2866
01:47:55,030 --> 01:47:51,360
other one it was just more like

2867
01:47:57,910 --> 01:47:55,040
some sort of experiments to go through

2868
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:57,920
which i could feel did not go quite well

2869
01:48:02,709 --> 01:47:59,280
like actually and

2870
01:48:05,750 --> 01:48:02,719
and he said well it's time to go

2871
01:48:09,030 --> 01:48:05,760
so uh so the other one can kind of

2872
01:48:10,629 --> 01:48:09,040
uh say well well and and

2873
01:48:12,310 --> 01:48:10,639
and when when she talked you know i

2874
01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:12,320
looked again you know and

2875
01:48:19,189 --> 01:48:16,000
i almost saw what what

2876
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:19,199
what it looked like but it was very

2877
01:48:24,550 --> 01:48:22,480
fuzzy and and uh but i would say it's

2878
01:48:27,030 --> 01:48:24,560
probably humanoid

2879
01:48:27,750 --> 01:48:27,040
it's probably you might know it and then

2880
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:27,760
uh

2881
01:48:31,990 --> 01:48:30,320
she said that come with me on there we

2882
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:32,000
did a couple of meters

2883
01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:39,910
it's like an opening started to well

2884
01:48:44,950 --> 01:48:41,440
obviously open

2885
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:44,960
and and then i i i could you know like

2886
01:48:49,270 --> 01:48:46,480
peer routes

2887
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:49,280
and and then i just realized oh i'm in

2888
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:51,119
the sky

2889
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:55,760
then she said

2890
01:49:00,070 --> 01:48:57,760
she was i don't know where i said she

2891
01:49:00,709 --> 01:49:00,080
but you know perhaps there was more a

2892
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:00,719
feminine

2893
01:49:08,709 --> 01:49:04,320
empathic feel to uh to

2894
01:49:10,390 --> 01:49:08,719
do to this thing and uh

2895
01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:10,400
sorry you know it's hard for me to talk

2896
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:11,920
you know i've never been on the chat

2897
01:49:15,589 --> 01:49:13,440
line before and that's all right

2898
01:49:17,109 --> 01:49:15,599
i mean take your time right and it's

2899
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:17,119
it's it's uh

2900
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:20,400
it's maybe talking to 12 to 2 percent

2901
01:49:24,229 --> 01:49:22,000
about this so

2902
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:24,239
that's what's so great about ua4 by the

2903
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:25,840
way you know you can talk about your

2904
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:26,800
stuff and then

2905
01:49:31,510 --> 01:49:29,280
same time you know remain more anonymous

2906
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:31,520
you know it really helps

2907
01:49:35,510 --> 01:49:33,920
and uh yeah i'm going to say oh well you

2908
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:35,520
know we we're going to take you back you

2909
01:49:40,629 --> 01:49:36,960
know

2910
01:49:41,589 --> 01:49:40,639
and then what i saw is is all suddenly

2911
01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:41,599
you know like the

2912
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:45,280
the star starts to sort of spin and move

2913
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:47,760
a little bit you know almost like we

2914
01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:48,480
were going

2915
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:51,520
down to the right and as we went down to

2916
01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:52,560
the right and then

2917
01:49:59,510 --> 01:49:56,719
when i saw this globe you know globe

2918
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:59,520
coming faster and faster and faster to

2919
01:50:03,350 --> 01:50:00,320
towards us

2920
01:50:07,109 --> 01:50:03,360
and then hello

2921
01:50:10,229 --> 01:50:07,119
yeah i'm here and you're still here

2922
01:50:11,750 --> 01:50:10,239
so i'm taking a lot of time here is i

2923
01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:11,760
did not expect to sort of

2924
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:12,960
talk you know i just wanted to say thank

2925
01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:15,119
you really and that's all right

2926
01:50:18,390 --> 01:50:18,000
and uh that group came up thanks and

2927
01:50:24,790 --> 01:50:18,400
then

2928
01:50:27,310 --> 01:50:24,800
was you know but

2929
01:50:29,910 --> 01:50:27,320
i'm talking here you know it's back in

2930
01:50:31,589 --> 01:50:29,920
1971 you know at that time you know we

2931
01:50:33,990 --> 01:50:31,599
uh i didn't have

2932
01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:34,000
you know i didn't even have a tv so we

2933
01:50:37,510 --> 01:50:35,520
didn't have google earth

2934
01:50:39,589 --> 01:50:37,520
or anything but it was quite obvious you

2935
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:39,599
know it explained it came out came up

2936
01:50:43,589 --> 01:50:40,239
came up

2937
01:50:45,750 --> 01:50:43,599
the

2938
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:45,760
delete everyone says well that's it you

2939
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:47,760
know you're going back home

2940
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:50,400
you're going back home you know so i

2941
01:50:54,070 --> 01:50:50,800
felt

2942
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:54,080
sort of a drain coming down etc

2943
01:51:00,870 --> 01:50:58,560
and i can't tell you much more

2944
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:00,880
how long it took you know but more or

2945
01:51:06,070 --> 01:51:04,320
less the same thing you know but

2946
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:06,080
the thing that i remember you know it

2947
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:07,840
was my mum looking at me you know and

2948
01:51:11,830 --> 01:51:08,639
she's where

2949
01:51:14,629 --> 01:51:11,840
where where did you go you know and then

2950
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:14,639
when i told her i said well you know

2951
01:51:18,629 --> 01:51:15,360
well

2952
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:18,639
you know obviously uh with kids point of

2953
01:51:21,589 --> 01:51:19,520
view

2954
01:51:24,229 --> 01:51:21,599
and then when she said well you know

2955
01:51:26,149 --> 01:51:24,239
she's a bit worried actually

2956
01:51:29,189 --> 01:51:26,159
and uh with retrospect you know like

2957
01:51:32,390 --> 01:51:29,199
like she knew what i was talking about

2958
01:51:33,669 --> 01:51:32,400
and and then she said to me never never

2959
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:33,679
forget this

2960
01:51:40,550 --> 01:51:37,199
my song and don't tell to anyone

2961
01:51:41,350 --> 01:51:40,560
but do not forget about it all right so

2962
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:41,360
that

2963
01:51:46,950 --> 01:51:44,800
know then it's been going on and off

2964
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:46,960
you know not that type you know it's

2965
01:51:51,270 --> 01:51:49,199
been going on on earth for about

2966
01:51:53,270 --> 01:51:51,280
about 50 years well it's definitely a

2967
01:51:55,270 --> 01:51:53,280
noteworthy experience i mean

2968
01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:55,280
one you can't forget it i can definitely

2969
01:51:59,350 --> 01:51:57,440
see how that would you know keep on

2970
01:52:03,669 --> 01:51:59,360
driving you throughout your life to just

2971
01:52:07,510 --> 01:52:03,679
keep on seeking for the answers

2972
01:52:09,910 --> 01:52:07,520
for sure for sure for sure and uh

2973
01:52:11,350 --> 01:52:09,920
i mean i can i can remember you know

2974
01:52:13,589 --> 01:52:11,360
i've been

2975
01:52:16,470 --> 01:52:13,599
going up you know about at least but i

2976
01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:16,480
can't remember you know three times

2977
01:52:20,790 --> 01:52:19,040
so you know the first time you're too

2978
01:52:22,629 --> 01:52:20,800
young actually to make any sense out of

2979
01:52:25,750 --> 01:52:22,639
it and then after that went back

2980
01:52:28,149 --> 01:52:25,760
when i was a little bit older and then

2981
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:28,159
again when my mid-twenties and then i

2982
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:29,199
get

2983
01:52:32,870 --> 01:52:31,599
in my 30s you know and then that's when

2984
01:52:35,189 --> 01:52:32,880
you start going well

2985
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:35,199
right you know something is going on

2986
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:36,000
here

2987
01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:37,520
and you're starting to look for answers

2988
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:39,360
you're starting to

2989
01:52:43,430 --> 01:52:42,960
to to actually see see what's going on

2990
01:52:45,750 --> 01:52:43,440
you know

2991
01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:45,760
from what you're hearing from from the

2992
01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:47,280
tv the movies

2993
01:52:51,270 --> 01:52:49,440
the event after the internet came up you

2994
01:52:54,550 --> 01:52:51,280
know so i've been researching

2995
01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:54,560
that you know quite a lot and didn't

2996
01:52:57,589 --> 01:52:56,800
find really many answers whatsoever you

2997
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:57,599
know but

2998
01:53:01,510 --> 01:52:59,280
at least it was possible to find out

2999
01:53:04,390 --> 01:53:01,520
that there were other people that

3000
01:53:06,950 --> 01:53:04,400
that seemed to to have had this type of

3001
01:53:09,589 --> 01:53:06,960
experience

3002
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:09,599
fabrica do they have um especially you

3003
01:53:12,709 --> 01:53:10,480
said you've been back

3004
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:12,719
for six years do they have uh meeting

3005
01:53:16,149 --> 01:53:14,480
groups because i know i often talk about

3006
01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:16,159
them in the united states where

3007
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:18,239
a bunch of us get together and it can be

3008
01:53:21,350 --> 01:53:20,400
groups from 50 to 100 and just basically

3009
01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:21,360
doing this

3010
01:53:26,149 --> 01:53:23,280
you know talking i mean do they have

3011
01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:26,159
meetings like that in france at all

3012
01:53:29,270 --> 01:53:28,800
uh i've looked around a little bit and i

3013
01:53:31,030 --> 01:53:29,280
have not

3014
01:53:33,030 --> 01:53:31,040
found anything that sort of strikes my

3015
01:53:34,709 --> 01:53:33,040
fans right right

3016
01:53:36,870 --> 01:53:34,719
okay i just wanted to ask because you

3017
01:53:38,470 --> 01:53:36,880
know it's it's not every day that

3018
01:53:40,070 --> 01:53:38,480
you know i'm usually always chatting

3019
01:53:42,709 --> 01:53:40,080
somebody with uh

3020
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:42,719
they're from the united states or you

3021
01:53:44,950 --> 01:53:43,440
know

3022
01:53:46,709 --> 01:53:44,960
basically anywhere in the united states

3023
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:46,719
you'll find a group

3024
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:52,830
i found a group back back in new zealand

3025
01:53:56,790 --> 01:53:54,480
right

3026
01:54:00,229 --> 01:53:56,800
i was just very not to participate you

3027
01:54:01,910 --> 01:54:00,239
know not really talking and

3028
01:54:03,669 --> 01:54:01,920
but you know that was quite interesting

3029
01:54:06,470 --> 01:54:03,679
you know stay with them for that

3030
01:54:07,030 --> 01:54:06,480
for about six months interestingly

3031
01:54:10,790 --> 01:54:07,040
enough

3032
01:54:12,790 --> 01:54:10,800
once we had the meeting and uh

3033
01:54:14,310 --> 01:54:12,800
you know all those people very nice

3034
01:54:17,030 --> 01:54:14,320
people and more like new

3035
01:54:18,709 --> 01:54:17,040
age you know right to ready and healing

3036
01:54:21,189 --> 01:54:18,719
and spiritual healing that was

3037
01:54:21,990 --> 01:54:21,199
really really great so they were let's

3038
01:54:24,229 --> 01:54:22,000
say like proper

3039
01:54:26,390 --> 01:54:24,239
people you know not smoking not drinking

3040
01:54:28,470 --> 01:54:26,400
you know and you know i kind of

3041
01:54:30,629 --> 01:54:28,480
was hanging for a cigarette you know so

3042
01:54:33,430 --> 01:54:30,639
i just went outside you know

3043
01:54:34,950 --> 01:54:33,440
two or three of us you know actually

3044
01:54:36,870 --> 01:54:34,960
having a sick right there

3045
01:54:38,870 --> 01:54:36,880
and then and then somebody looks up you

3046
01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:38,880
know and then and goes you know those

3047
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,920
those were stars there you know they

3048
01:54:45,669 --> 01:54:43,840
getting there for quite a while you know

3049
01:54:49,510 --> 01:54:45,679
so we look up you know

3050
01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:49,520
and and then lo and behold you're

3051
01:54:53,270 --> 01:54:50,800
starting to move around you know it's

3052
01:54:58,229 --> 01:54:55,910
30 of them you know it was like a whole

3053
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:58,239
constellation the whole part of the sky

3054
01:55:00,709 --> 01:55:00,080
you know was sort of spinning around a

3055
01:55:02,790 --> 01:55:00,719
little bit

3056
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:02,800
and going this way going back way you

3057
01:55:06,790 --> 01:55:03,760
know

3058
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:06,800
they sort of moved with some sort of

3059
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:09,360
uniformity you know they were there was

3060
01:55:13,510 --> 01:55:10,800
cohesion

3061
01:55:14,709 --> 01:55:13,520
in in the movement and and so forth and

3062
01:55:16,790 --> 01:55:14,719
then uh

3063
01:55:18,550 --> 01:55:16,800
even a couple of people came out as well

3064
01:55:19,189 --> 01:55:18,560
and then after about five minutes not

3065
01:55:22,470 --> 01:55:19,199
like

3066
01:55:24,709 --> 01:55:22,480
would say

3067
01:55:25,990 --> 01:55:24,719
uh this came out you know but it's best

3068
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:26,000
at night you know it's about

3069
01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:29,040
11 o'clock at night and uh you know in

3070
01:55:35,430 --> 01:55:31,360
winter so it was it was really uh

3071
01:55:37,510 --> 01:55:35,440
dark no clouds etc and uh

3072
01:55:38,629 --> 01:55:37,520
and then we looked you know and then so

3073
01:55:40,550 --> 01:55:38,639
we started making comments

3074
01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:40,560
oh look this one is doing this and look

3075
01:55:44,709 --> 01:55:42,400
this one is doing bad and

3076
01:55:47,030 --> 01:55:44,719
and so and what was quite interesting in

3077
01:55:50,550 --> 01:55:47,040
all this is

3078
01:55:52,950 --> 01:55:50,560
there must have been let's say 20 of us

3079
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:52,960
really looking at all this and being a

3080
01:55:57,910 --> 01:55:54,639
shadow without you know you could not

3081
01:55:59,430 --> 01:55:57,920
miss it but funnily enough there was

3082
01:56:01,350 --> 01:55:59,440
about

3083
01:56:03,430 --> 01:56:01,360
10 others from the group you know that

3084
01:56:05,750 --> 01:56:03,440
were looking in that very same direction

3085
01:56:07,669 --> 01:56:05,760
and could not see a thing could not see

3086
01:56:09,910 --> 01:56:07,679
a thing and it actually uh

3087
01:56:11,430 --> 01:56:09,920
a figure upset you know because they

3088
01:56:15,270 --> 01:56:11,440
thought we were actually playing a joke

3089
01:56:19,270 --> 01:56:15,280
on them

3090
01:56:21,990 --> 01:56:19,280
so there you go you know it's it's uh

3091
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:22,000
some people can can can see see that

3092
01:56:26,070 --> 01:56:24,159
thing and is it denial is it

3093
01:56:27,510 --> 01:56:26,080
someone more open to this do you

3094
01:56:30,950 --> 01:56:27,520
actually need to have previous

3095
01:56:35,589 --> 01:56:30,960
experience when you are younger

3096
01:56:41,350 --> 01:56:39,830
pre-framed you know to for later on to

3097
01:56:43,430 --> 01:56:41,360
see a bit more than what other people

3098
01:56:44,790 --> 01:56:43,440
are saying i don't know right

3099
01:56:47,109 --> 01:56:44,800
one thing for sure you know there is

3100
01:56:52,070 --> 01:56:47,119
nothing there's nothing special about me

3101
01:56:56,870 --> 01:56:55,109
yes well you know how

3102
01:56:58,709 --> 01:56:56,880
you're online now speaking about your

3103
01:57:01,990 --> 01:56:58,719
experience so i guess there was

3104
01:57:05,750 --> 01:57:02,000
you're meant to have it you know it's

3105
01:57:08,070 --> 01:57:05,760
yes yes it's yeah i'm really stoked

3106
01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:08,080
using what you're doing you see no way

3107
01:57:13,109 --> 01:57:09,440
no way

3108
01:57:16,870 --> 01:57:15,109
i was just gonna say there's this saying

3109
01:57:19,189 --> 01:57:16,880
you know they say um

3110
01:57:20,790 --> 01:57:19,199
uh see to believe it but i think it's

3111
01:57:21,109 --> 01:57:20,800
actually the other way around you have

3112
01:57:25,350 --> 01:57:21,119
to

3113
01:57:26,870 --> 01:57:25,360
you're

3114
01:57:28,709 --> 01:57:26,880
cordoned off from it you know when

3115
01:57:30,790 --> 01:57:28,719
you're blocking it then just

3116
01:57:32,950 --> 01:57:30,800
simply say you don't you don't believe

3117
01:57:36,470 --> 01:57:32,960
it it doesn't set you on that

3118
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:36,480
um open-mindedness to to perceive what

3119
01:57:39,990 --> 01:57:37,520
is happening

3120
01:57:40,709 --> 01:57:40,000
you know and um i know if you're

3121
01:57:43,030 --> 01:57:40,719
scientifically

3122
01:57:44,709 --> 01:57:43,040
trying that that's not a good example

3123
01:57:47,430 --> 01:57:44,719
that's not a good way about

3124
01:57:48,390 --> 01:57:47,440
uh uh going about to prove something but

3125
01:57:51,430 --> 01:57:48,400
it truly is

3126
01:57:53,990 --> 01:57:51,440
in a way to where you have to uh be open

3127
01:57:54,790 --> 01:57:54,000
uh to it to begin with in order to have

3128
01:57:57,910 --> 01:57:54,800
this

3129
01:58:00,229 --> 01:57:57,920
information to come to you if you're

3130
01:58:02,310 --> 01:58:00,239
seeking it

3131
01:58:03,669 --> 01:58:02,320
yeah it seems to be that way and it

3132
01:58:04,390 --> 01:58:03,679
reminds me a lot of the time as well you

3133
01:58:06,790 --> 01:58:04,400
know but

3134
01:58:07,510 --> 01:58:06,800
in london london is as we all know a big

3135
01:58:11,350 --> 01:58:07,520
city

3136
01:58:13,109 --> 01:58:11,360
eight nine o'clock at night uh i was uh

3137
01:58:16,629 --> 01:58:13,119
coming back from work

3138
01:58:18,149 --> 01:58:16,639
and uh obviously uh i tend to look up in

3139
01:58:19,270 --> 01:58:18,159
the skies quite a lot you know and

3140
01:58:21,030 --> 01:58:19,280
that's what i'll tell

3141
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:21,040
of people now if you if you only see a

3142
01:58:24,390 --> 01:58:22,800
spacecraft if you want to see a ua-4 or

3143
01:58:26,070 --> 01:58:24,400
orbs or whatever

3144
01:58:27,510 --> 01:58:26,080
you gotta look up you know it's like

3145
01:58:28,310 --> 01:58:27,520
going fishing you're going to catch some

3146
01:58:30,550 --> 01:58:28,320
fish

3147
01:58:31,990 --> 01:58:30,560
you have to fall line your water so i

3148
01:58:35,350 --> 01:58:32,000
kind of you know have my

3149
01:58:38,550 --> 01:58:35,360
my nose most of the time

3150
01:58:41,350 --> 01:58:38,560
and and here we're looking like in i'm

3151
01:58:43,430 --> 01:58:41,360
about five kids from the city center and

3152
01:58:46,709 --> 01:58:43,440
i just look up you know and

3153
01:58:50,070 --> 01:58:46,719
i'm just going i'm just seeing that

3154
01:58:52,149 --> 01:58:50,080
big airliner you know flying by you know

3155
01:58:53,350 --> 01:58:52,159
whoa that's that's unusual because

3156
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:53,360
usually you know that

3157
01:58:58,790 --> 01:58:56,400
with heathrow and so forth you know

3158
01:58:59,589 --> 01:58:58,800
big jumbo airplane you know they don't

3159
01:59:02,470 --> 01:58:59,599
they don't

3160
01:59:04,070 --> 01:59:02,480
go go freely you know it's not the waste

3161
01:59:07,030 --> 01:59:04,080
it's from the roots

3162
01:59:08,070 --> 01:59:07,040
and uh i'm just going well it must be

3163
01:59:09,750 --> 01:59:08,080
chocolate

3164
01:59:11,510 --> 01:59:09,760
and then there was somebody else i

3165
01:59:15,189 --> 01:59:11,520
didn't know right next to me

3166
01:59:17,030 --> 01:59:15,199
and uh and then uh so i just shook up on

3167
01:59:18,550 --> 01:59:17,040
you and stopped some you know i was like

3168
01:59:19,990 --> 01:59:18,560
sort of staring at it for about a good

3169
01:59:21,589 --> 01:59:20,000
10 seconds

3170
01:59:23,109 --> 01:59:21,599
and then or suddenly i'm i'm just

3171
01:59:26,550 --> 01:59:23,119
thinking to myself yeah

3172
01:59:30,310 --> 01:59:26,560
jumbo jet well not because it's it's

3173
01:59:32,390 --> 01:59:30,320
it's not making any noise and and it's

3174
01:59:33,669 --> 01:59:32,400
it hasn't got any wings and it was you

3175
01:59:35,270 --> 01:59:33,679
know fairly close no it's

3176
01:59:37,430 --> 01:59:35,280
not it's like an airplane it's just

3177
01:59:38,229 --> 01:59:37,440
about to to land about two three minutes

3178
01:59:42,070 --> 01:59:38,239
you know

3179
01:59:44,149 --> 01:59:42,080
you can see the details of the plane now

3180
01:59:45,830 --> 01:59:44,159
you can see actually uh

3181
01:59:47,750 --> 01:59:45,840
you know the commercial line you know if

3182
01:59:49,189 --> 01:59:47,760
it's cantas or usa

3183
01:59:50,870 --> 01:59:49,199
or whatever you know and there was

3184
01:59:53,589 --> 01:59:50,880
absolutely nothing

3185
01:59:55,189 --> 01:59:53,599
and it was also nothing you know and uh

3186
01:59:55,830 --> 01:59:55,199
it kind of looked like you know what

3187
01:59:57,830 --> 01:59:55,840
other people

3188
01:59:58,910 --> 01:59:57,840
are saying you know but it's it was like

3189
02:00:23,990 --> 01:59:58,920
a

3190
02:00:28,070 --> 02:00:24,000
you know

3191
02:00:30,229 --> 02:00:28,080
which is right in in the middle of a big

3192
02:00:31,830 --> 02:00:30,239
city

3193
02:00:33,669 --> 02:00:31,840
right on some time you know we're

3194
02:00:38,790 --> 02:00:33,679
thinking yeah

3195
02:00:45,430 --> 02:00:42,390
that's the one that's the one so so

3196
02:00:49,750 --> 02:00:45,440
you know it doesn't look like

3197
02:00:55,830 --> 02:00:52,790
right um

3198
02:00:59,430 --> 02:00:55,840
fabrica uh i hate to cut you off i was

3199
02:00:59,669 --> 02:00:59,440
um well no i mean thank you very much

3200
02:01:04,229 --> 02:00:59,679
for

3201
02:01:06,390 --> 02:01:04,239
misery you know it's been really hard

3202
02:01:09,350 --> 02:01:06,400
for me to talk

3203
02:01:11,189 --> 02:01:09,360
i'm glad no no please do call in i mean

3204
02:01:12,470 --> 02:01:11,199
anytime we have these you know love to

3205
02:01:15,350 --> 02:01:12,480
love to talk to you

3206
02:01:15,750 --> 02:01:15,360
um i'm just uh it's actually now on my

3207
02:01:17,990 --> 02:01:15,760
end

3208
02:01:19,109 --> 02:01:18,000
not so much on your guys and that i have

3209
02:01:20,790 --> 02:01:19,119
to um

3210
02:01:22,950 --> 02:01:20,800
get going but i do appreciate you

3211
02:01:24,709 --> 02:01:22,960
calling in and and sharing your story

3212
02:01:25,270 --> 02:01:24,719
i'm glad you finally connected because i

3213
02:01:27,109 --> 02:01:25,280
know

3214
02:01:28,629 --> 02:01:27,119
it looked like based on the chat that

3215
02:01:29,430 --> 02:01:28,639
you at least tried couple more other

3216
02:01:31,350 --> 02:01:29,440
times

3217
02:01:33,109 --> 02:01:31,360
you know to to get on to this i'm glad

3218
02:01:35,910 --> 02:01:33,119
you finally did

3219
02:01:36,790 --> 02:01:35,920
yeah it was to say thank you for for

3220
02:01:38,790 --> 02:01:36,800
your work and

3221
02:01:40,070 --> 02:01:38,800
and you know it's it's really awesome

3222
02:01:40,550 --> 02:01:40,080
what you're doing but that's why i

3223
02:01:43,109 --> 02:01:40,560
reckon

3224
02:01:44,149 --> 02:01:43,119
we need a lot more black bags thank you

3225
02:01:46,470 --> 02:01:44,159
thank you i appreciate it

3226
02:01:50,470 --> 02:01:46,480
it means a lot i mean at least i know

3227
02:01:51,990 --> 02:01:50,480
the effort has not gone unnoticed

3228
02:01:54,790 --> 02:01:52,000
and that's why i put the effort you know

3229
02:01:57,830 --> 02:01:54,800
to sort of participate a little bit

3230
02:01:58,950 --> 02:01:57,840
in in in a way to show appreciation you

3231
02:02:02,229 --> 02:01:58,960
know

3232
02:02:05,270 --> 02:02:02,239
yeah thank you for that thank you okay

3233
02:02:11,030 --> 02:02:06,950
i was gonna say you better go to bed

3234
02:02:13,990 --> 02:02:12,390
all right well hey okay thanks for your

3235
02:02:17,270 --> 02:02:14,000
attention yeah we'll hopefully get in

3236
02:02:21,270 --> 02:02:19,510
uh due to work for the next two weeks

3237
02:02:22,149 --> 02:02:21,280
you know i'm i'm i'm off you know except

3238
02:02:24,229 --> 02:02:22,159
for the weekend but

3239
02:02:25,589 --> 02:02:24,239
in about three weeks time you know maybe

3240
02:02:27,589 --> 02:02:25,599
i'm popping to say hello you know

3241
02:02:28,950 --> 02:02:27,599
if i have not bored you today just yet

3242
02:02:30,629 --> 02:02:28,960
you know but i have no idea

3243
02:02:32,390 --> 02:02:30,639
definitely not definitely not i'm glad

3244
02:02:36,870 --> 02:02:32,400
i'm glad you you did when you had the

3245
02:02:42,149 --> 02:02:38,629
alright thanks good night all right good

3246
02:02:45,270 --> 02:02:44,390
okay all right everyone well thank you

3247
02:02:48,870 --> 02:02:45,280
very much

3248
02:02:50,229 --> 02:02:48,880
um uh thanks for uh uh to to everyone

3249
02:02:52,629 --> 02:02:50,239
that had called in today

3250
02:02:53,910 --> 02:02:52,639
and shared their stories and as you've

3251
02:02:57,109 --> 02:02:53,920
seen the format

3252
02:02:59,510 --> 02:02:57,119
is just what it is and um i don't

3253
02:03:00,390 --> 02:02:59,520
you know i i'd like to give everyone all

3254
02:03:05,910 --> 02:03:00,400
their

3255
02:03:07,669 --> 02:03:05,920
stories as much as they can because

3256
02:03:09,189 --> 02:03:07,679
you know i i don't want to be like the

3257
02:03:11,830 --> 02:03:09,199
regular media where it's just

3258
02:03:12,470 --> 02:03:11,840
small bits get to the point you know and

3259
02:03:13,910 --> 02:03:12,480
of course

3260
02:03:15,510 --> 02:03:13,920
if you want that you can get that

3261
02:03:18,870 --> 02:03:15,520
somewhere else um

3262
02:03:21,350 --> 02:03:18,880
it's sometimes in the long

3263
02:03:22,470 --> 02:03:21,360
details whatever is given that a better

3264
02:03:24,070 --> 02:03:22,480
point is made

3265
02:03:25,669 --> 02:03:24,080
you know and if you have the patience to

3266
02:03:27,109 --> 02:03:25,679
listen through it you'll learn from a

3267
02:03:28,470 --> 02:03:27,119
lot that's being told

3268
02:03:30,149 --> 02:03:28,480
you know and it's always been in my

3269
02:03:32,470 --> 02:03:30,159
experience um

3270
02:03:34,229 --> 02:03:32,480
you know it's it's almost like a song

3271
02:03:36,070 --> 02:03:34,239
when you you know when you listen to it

3272
02:03:37,430 --> 02:03:36,080
you don't want to go okay hurry up get

3273
02:03:38,550 --> 02:03:37,440
to the end of the song you know you

3274
02:03:41,030 --> 02:03:38,560
enjoy the whole

3275
02:03:42,709 --> 02:03:41,040
whole experience of it whatever tones

3276
02:03:44,629 --> 02:03:42,719
and whatever it has to tell you

3277
02:03:46,229 --> 02:03:44,639
so i kind of look at conversations in a

3278
02:03:48,629 --> 02:03:46,239
similar way to where

3279
02:03:49,750 --> 02:03:48,639
you know um however long it take however

3280
02:03:51,430 --> 02:03:49,760
they happen to be

3281
02:03:53,510 --> 02:03:51,440
i will get from it what i need to get

3282
02:03:54,870 --> 02:03:53,520
from it and of course everyone else

3283
02:03:57,830 --> 02:03:54,880
listening as well

3284
02:03:59,189 --> 02:03:57,840
so um please join us next week we're

3285
02:04:02,390 --> 02:03:59,199
gonna have open lines

3286
02:04:04,550 --> 02:04:02,400
um part of the reason why i'm leaving

3287
02:04:06,069 --> 02:04:04,560
but sooner today is actually right after

3288
02:04:08,470 --> 02:04:06,079
this i'm gonna try to get

3289
02:04:09,510 --> 02:04:08,480
uh together with ray hernandez to see to

3290
02:04:11,430 --> 02:04:09,520
work out

3291
02:04:12,550 --> 02:04:11,440
our technical difficulties so that i can

3292
02:04:15,350 --> 02:04:12,560
have him as a guest

3293
02:04:15,830 --> 02:04:15,360
this friday at 7 00 pm central time and

3294
02:04:18,870 --> 02:04:15,840
so

3295
02:04:20,870 --> 02:04:18,880
he will be talking about

3296
02:04:22,550 --> 02:04:20,880
his book and the research that they've

3297
02:04:25,109 --> 02:04:22,560
done

3298
02:04:25,750 --> 02:04:25,119
with different contactees and abductees

3299
02:04:29,030 --> 02:04:25,760
and they

3300
02:04:31,589 --> 02:04:29,040
did this huge survey that um you know

3301
02:04:32,550 --> 02:04:31,599
uh yielded some really important

3302
02:04:34,870 --> 02:04:32,560
information

3303
02:04:36,790 --> 02:04:34,880
uh from from what they found i think i

3304
02:04:37,990 --> 02:04:36,800
forgot how long they did the study for

3305
02:04:39,750 --> 02:04:38,000
but it's very interesting to

3306
02:04:41,589 --> 02:04:39,760
talk to him about it so anyway so we're

3307
02:04:44,950 --> 02:04:41,599
going to try to figure that out

3308
02:04:48,069 --> 02:04:44,960
for next week please tune in again join

3309
02:04:49,430 --> 02:04:48,079
join me on telegram so you can talk to

3310
02:04:51,669 --> 02:04:49,440
me share your story

3311
02:04:52,550 --> 02:04:51,679
simply install it the app on your

3312
02:04:55,430 --> 02:04:52,560
computer or

3313
02:04:55,910 --> 02:04:55,440
on your telephone find the ufo hub group

3314
02:04:58,310 --> 02:04:55,920
and

3315
02:04:59,189 --> 02:04:58,320
just join the voice chat when it when i

3316
02:05:01,109 --> 02:04:59,199
started

3317
02:05:02,790 --> 02:05:01,119
usually before when when it's time for

3318
02:05:04,629 --> 02:05:02,800
open lines i opened it about

3319
02:05:06,470 --> 02:05:04,639
half hour earlier just so that i can

3320
02:05:08,390 --> 02:05:06,480
test it out on my end before it

3321
02:05:09,750 --> 02:05:08,400
gets pushed out to a live stream at

3322
02:05:12,229 --> 02:05:09,760
seven so

3323
02:05:13,109 --> 02:05:12,239
like today i um talk to bradley for a

3324
02:05:16,229 --> 02:05:13,119
bit

3325
02:05:17,910 --> 02:05:16,239
you know and um so that way we can just

3326
02:05:19,589 --> 02:05:17,920
have a dialogue going i usually just

3327
02:05:20,550 --> 02:05:19,599
whoever happens to be in the room at

3328
02:05:23,669 --> 02:05:20,560
that time i just

3329
02:05:27,589 --> 02:05:23,679
unmute everybody and we just you know

3330
02:05:31,109 --> 02:05:27,599
chat so that's at least my goal and so

3331
02:05:33,669 --> 02:05:31,119
um yeah so please uh

3332
02:05:34,870 --> 02:05:33,679
hit the like button subscribe if you if

3333
02:05:38,069 --> 02:05:34,880
you enjoyed this

3334
02:05:39,669 --> 02:05:38,079
um hoping that uh next week we'll get to

3335
02:05:41,350 --> 02:05:39,679
have more people calling in

3336
02:05:42,790 --> 02:05:41,360
maybe calling in for a first time

3337
02:05:43,510 --> 02:05:42,800
sharing their experiences because it

3338
02:05:46,870 --> 02:05:43,520
can't be

3339
02:05:49,270 --> 02:05:46,880
friend

3340
02:05:50,550 --> 02:05:49,280
around you i hope you do but someone

3341
02:05:53,830 --> 02:05:50,560
that you can't

3342
02:05:56,550 --> 02:05:53,840
talk to in the the same way that

3343
02:05:57,990 --> 02:05:56,560
that you may be found here uh call in

3344
02:05:59,830 --> 02:05:58,000
you know share your story i know it's a

3345
02:06:01,589 --> 02:05:59,840
bit more public than that but

3346
02:06:03,669 --> 02:06:01,599
you know i'm certainly here to listen

3347
02:06:05,830 --> 02:06:03,679
and maybe give a little feedback and

3348
02:06:06,709 --> 02:06:05,840
i'm sure everyone else that enjoys these

3349
02:06:09,669 --> 02:06:06,719
stories would

3350
02:06:10,470 --> 02:06:09,679
would appreciate you sharing them so

3351
02:06:13,270 --> 02:06:10,480
this friday

3352
02:06:15,030 --> 02:06:13,280
7 p.m i'm hoping to have ray hernandez

3353
02:06:16,870 --> 02:06:15,040
if that doesn't work out i'm going to

3354
02:06:19,910 --> 02:06:16,880
try to

3355
02:06:21,990 --> 02:06:19,920
get somebody else in it's very short

3356
02:06:23,510 --> 02:06:22,000
usually it's difficult to find somebody

3357
02:06:26,629 --> 02:06:23,520
in that short notice but

3358
02:06:29,589 --> 02:06:26,639
hopefully we'll work it all out and so

3359
02:06:31,910 --> 02:06:29,599
join me next week or join me this friday

3360
02:06:35,030 --> 02:06:31,920
and then next week for other open lines